No it clearly states Covid19 cases presented to hospital care. I read that as the sole cause for hospitalisation due to Covid19.
That doctor in the covid ward on the news last night.
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I didn’t. I’m a tad more sceptical.
Thanks for that link.
"Effectiveness against hospitalisation
Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the Alpha and Delta variants".
NO PROBLEM I THOUGHT I WOULD HELP CLEAR UP THE DOCTORS LIES OR SELECTIVE POINTING OUTThanks for that link.
"Effectiveness against hospitalisation
Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the Alpha and Delta variants".
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And can you give us a link to the news bulletin or programme or just tell us what it was on ?
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Yes, and the 60+ are the highest risk groups anyway, and would naturally suffer the higher mortality rate. And as they are more likely to be vaccinated, it stands to reason that those dying in that group are more likely to be vaccinated.
BBC news. About 10.15pm last night. It should be on iPlayer. You're welcome.
Why would they do that? According to some on here there's 70,000 unvaccinated front line workers planning to leave the NHS rather than get jabbed.
Ok makes sense i see now thanks. So actually they really should present this data as some sort of population percentage. Otherwise it will look unintentionally skewed.
Percentage of non/vaccinated adults presenting to emergency care in age group much better. Is there a table there illustrating that data?
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It's raw data, open to interpretation, as you think fit. As you point out, accompanying data helps to 'interpret' the data more appropriately.
Whether there is any accompanying tables or data, I've no idea. I just applied logic to the data.
The hospital in question has a whole 6 covid patients in icu
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Just the BBC? Sure it wasn't printed in the Grauniad as well.BBC news. About 10.15pm last night. It should be on iPlayer. You're welcome.
the key is in the small print at the bottom:
In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.
WRONG
read the small print included in the table:
In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.
no it doesnt
your table doesnt state those people were hospitalised because of covid
you might be surprised that older people are more likely to go to hospital
and older people have very high vaccination rates
all you are doing is proving your utter inability to interpret data
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