The Eu withdrawal is a mess because of the EU

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Really?

So you have proof of this having to 'renegotiate our membership' and the issues you mention?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-wanted-and-what-he-really-got-a6885761.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_renegotiation_of_European_Union_membership,_2015–16

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....hy-the-government-believes-we-should-remain/#

It was either remain with renegotiations/concessions or a vote to Leave the EU; this went on for months, I don't know how you can genuinely suggest there was the possibility of carry on as is at the time before the referendum. The fact the referendum even happened should make it clear enough.

Did you genuinely forget or do you choose to ignore what happened to try and prop up what you're saying?
 
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Hello Job

Can you give us a list please of all the countries in "the rest of the world" that you think we will suddenly start trading profitably with, as soon as we leave the EU?
I've answered on another thread you silly old duffer. You're getting repetitive these days. My request is a plausible one as the list exists, but none of the rabid remoaners will acknowledge it, something in it you don't like ?. The list of countries that will trade as you suggest is non existent because, as you keep reminding us, we haven't left yet.
 
The list of countries that will trade as you suggest is non existent because, as you keep reminding us, we haven't left yet.

Something JohnD loves to keep quoting this because he thinks its clever. (y)
He hasnt posted the red bus this week yet....
 
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Thats true.

Barnier is a known hater of the UK, no doubt why he was chosen.

The EU are trying to get a power grab of the London Euro market and any other financial services they can get hold of.


Was not the london financial situation pointed out before the referendum?

If leavers took no notice of the information, who should they be blaming?

Not themselves obviously, lets find somebody in the eu to blame ?
 


Taking this section from the report. Even the reports you cling to, think we are going to suffer. A direct contrast to what the brexit leaders told you ! No financial issues or anything affecting our pockets was the bold claims, by farage, johnson, smogg etc.

Read this bit from your report and deny it ?


He is convinced that after a period of psychological and economic adjustment to being outside the EU, Britain’s fortunes will thrive.


Translated for you, that means its going to hurt first ! As has been told countless times.

Its all coming true, isnt it
 
The list of countries that will trade as you suggest is non existent because, as you keep reminding us, we haven't left yet.

Silly hatejob doesn't understand that when that he claims things are going to happen, he should be able to explain what they are.

Eu still probably less than 20% of world gdp, & when we leave, even less. So we have about 80% available to trade with if the eu snub us.

So come on, give us examples of the countries you have in mind.
 
I've answered on another thread you silly old duffer. You're getting repetitive these days. My request is a plausible one as the list exists, but none of the rabid remoaners will acknowledge it, something in it you don't like ?. The list of countries that will trade as you suggest is non existent because, as you keep reminding us, we haven't left yet.

Let's establish what trading profitably means ?

Export more to us than we do to them ? Cheaper imports? That will help us long term, how exactly?

On better terms for us than we have now ? Or better terms for them?


Once you get past these hurdles, you can then explain the benefits a bit better? And the conditions (trading terms) that get attached? Immigration, movement of people, visas etc ?

Or am I missing something ?
 
Was not the london financial situation pointed out before the referendum?
No

It was mentioned the Eu would not want passporting rights to continue in a non member state.

The EU risks giving itself a huge headache if it tries to fragment the London financial market, for a number of reasons.

Barclays Chairman John McFarlane told Reuters that a bad trade deal between Britain and the EU risks harming the international economy, and that some banks may decide to abandon some lines of business altogether because they will be too expensive.

“Brexit will put a spotlight on the economic attractiveness of activities you are moving,” he said. “Everybody will say, ‘If you move, is it worth it financially?’”

Bankers say a number of areas are likely to be affected when Britain leaves the EU. The first is Europe’s ability to sell sovereign debt. At present, when a country, say Portugal or Greece, needs to sell debt to keep its hospitals or schools running, it will tap the bond markets, arranged by banks primarily in London. London-based firms are currently responsible for trading about 70 percent of sovereign debt in Europe, according to bankers.

But some banks are already withdrawing from arranging the bond sales because it is unprofitable. In the first quarter of the year five banks stopped being primary dealers in various European country bonds.

The chief executive of one of Britain’s largest banks and one of the largest underwriters of European sovereign debt told Reuters the European Central Bank called him asking him not to abandon selling European debt because of Brexit. “They (EU countries) cannot be shut out from London's capital markets,” he said. “It’s suicide.”




Britain has the largest foreign exchange market and the second largest derivatives market in the world, accounting for just under 40 percent of the world’s dealings in those markets, while Paris, London’s nearest EU rival, handles under 5 percent, according to the Bank for International Settlements
Each year, euro, yen and dollar trades worth about a combined $869 trillion happen in London - more than in all the euro zone countries combined - according to the City of London Corporation.
 
Did you genuinely forget or do you choose to ignore what happened to try and prop up what you're saying?
Well I'll just lift a quote from the only slightly relevant link that you provided...
(Bravo for the time spent googling though)

"Sovereignty

What he wanted: A key demand of the Prime Minister going into the negotiations was that Britain should be excluded from the declaration in EU treaties that commits member states to “ever closer union among the peoples of Europe”.

Did he get it? Yes. The language in the agreement is emphatic. "It is recognised that the United Kingdom is not committed to further political integration in the European Union," it says. "References to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom." In particular Cameron won confirmation from other EU leaders that this 'special status' will be enshrined in the next EU treaties – accepting once and for all the reality of a two speed European Union."
 
It was mentioned the Eu would not want passporting rights to continue in a non member state.

The EU risks giving itself a huge headache if it tries to fragment the London financial market, for a number of reasons.
You were saying?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...kfurt-london-city-euro-clearing-a8469301.html

"Deutsche Bank has moved almost half of its euro clearing business from London to Frankfurt because of Brexit, with all new business set to be cleared via Frankfurt."


Reality has a habit of trumping ideological lunacy ;)
 
Well I'll just lift a quote from the only slightly relevant link that you provided...
(Bravo for the time spent googling though)

"Sovereignty

What he wanted: A key demand of the Prime Minister going into the negotiations was that Britain should be excluded from the declaration in EU treaties that commits member states to “ever closer union among the peoples of Europe”.

Did he get it? Yes. The language in the agreement is emphatic. "It is recognised that the United Kingdom is not committed to further political integration in the European Union," it says. "References to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom." In particular Cameron won confirmation from other EU leaders that this 'special status' will be enshrined in the next EU treaties – accepting once and for all the reality of a two speed European Union."


That hasn't addressed the point I made which was you were not voting for business as usual though has it, it's just something you saw, liked the sound of albeit completely unrelated to the point and thought, gotcha! Cherry picking without actually addressing the point.

The fact that you lifted a statement where it confirmed he managed to negotiate a concession in fact makes any point you were trying to make, moot.
 
That hasn't addressed the point I made which was you were not voting for business as usual though has it, it's just something you saw, liked the sound of albeit completely unrelated to the point and thought, gotcha! Cherry picking without actually addressing the point.

The fact that you lifted a statement where it confirmed he managed to negotiate a concession in fact makes any point you were trying to make, moot.
Could you repeat that in English?

And what point are you trying to make exactly?

Apart from linking to an article that totally blows away your original 'argument', and in fact shows the opposite of what you claimed!
 
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