Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[MNW67]

There was only one Pete01.

Speaking of people going missing, what about Odds? His avatar has changed and he hasn't posted for days. Is it usual for him to disappear?

 

[JohnD]

some people

And yet you don't like the sex of all the others being recorded, as a biological fact, which it is.

Just in case, at some future date, they decide they want to call themselves a kitten, or a kangaroo, or a person of a sex they do not have.

 

[JohnD]

Why do you seem to want to flatly refuse to accept that...

...that almost invariably, babies are born either biologically male, or biologically female.

Almost invariably, trans people arise from the the population of people who are clearly biologically male, or biologically female. The idea of people who are deformed or biologically abnormal is not relevant to such trans people. It is a diversion you are attempting to introduce.

 

[fillyboy]

Speaking of people going missing, what about Odds? His avatar has changed and he hasn't posted for days. Is it usual for him to disappear?

Last I saw of him was when I posted 'Allahu Akbar' after one of his lengthy pro Hamas diatribes, he responded with some abuse and haven't seen him since.
No sense of humour those Arabs.

 

[MNW67]

Last I saw of him was when I posted 'Allahu Akbar' after one of his lengthy pro Hamas diatribes, he responded with some abuse and haven't seen him since.
No sense of humour those Arabs.

It's all very strange. What he posted in response isn't something anyone would get banned for. He must be taking a voluntary break.

 

[fixitflav]

I'm not saying that there is a spectrum.

But you are saying that, if you refuse to accept that if a baby is not intersex (see other posts) it must be M or F.

 

[morqthana]

None of your concern or your business, I have reasons for not giving dates out as I am concerned with keeping my identity as it needs to be. Secure. You on the other hand face no danger as a handyman.

If you have concerns like that, wouldn't the simplest, and most secure thing to have simply been not to mention that you were ever in the forces?

 

[blup]

IIRC the equality act says trans people are to be treated as the gender they transition to for all purposes, but doesn’t say that their biological sex changes, so a lot of people confused by politicians trying to be all things to all people

 

[blup]

None of your concern or your business, I have reasons for not giving dates out as I am concerned with keeping my identity as it needs to be. Secure. You on the other hand face no danger as a handyman.

Sorry mate but your identity as an ex forces highways electrician from the East Midlands could fairly easily be established if necessary. There’s nothing about sharing your service dates that will identify you or bring you into disrepute or dishonour. Quite the opposite. Kill the debate.

 

[morqthana]

https://www.uhs.nhs.uk/Media/UHS-website-2019/Patientinformation/Childhealth/Sex-assignment-in-newborn-babies-3505-PIL.pdf

Well, if potentially needing to use drugs and surgery to change a person's hormones and physical characteristics to make them fit into a category defined by hormones and physical appearance doesn't confirm to you that it isn't a simple binary system, nothing will.

 

[morqthana]

Yes a percentage of babies don't fall into one of the two categories and they are termed intersex. Some people try to inflate the number.
PubMed says
"Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia.

Those last 3 are included in the category of DSDs which seems to be of great significance to MNW67

If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%."

About 1 in 5000. Not irrelevant but small.

So nearly 24,000 births last year, world-wide.

But small is not zero.

Unless it it is zero, then the notion that there are only 2 sexes is flawed.

Yes yes yes yes yes we ALL know it exists.
It's unfortunate for those involved but in society generally it's not a problem.

Why troll on about it?

I'm not trolling on about anything - just trying to shut down the argument used by transphobic people that their position of denial is based on sex being binary.

 

[Highway Man]

Sorry mate but your identity as an ex forces highways electrician from the East Midlands could fairly easily be established if necessary. There’s nothing about sharing your service dates that will identify you or bring you into disrepute or dishonour. Quite the opposite. Kill the debate.

Nah mate. A lot can be established by dates and records. It is not something I am not willing to divulge. There is no debate.

 

[fixitflav]

IIRC the equality act says trans people are to be treated as the gender they transition to for all purposes, but doesn’t say that their biological sex changes, so a lot of people confused by politicians trying to be all things to all people

IMO there wouldn’t be too much of a problem with a man identifying as a woman being allowed into women’s spaces if he genuinely wants to live as a woman and doesn’t cause any harm. The problem is with men doing it falsely, eg criminals who do it to get into a women’s prison as they assume it will be an easier gig, or getting into other women’s spaces for sexual reasons. To prevent that would justify quite a lot of inconvenience for genuine transsexuals. They know who to blame.

 

[morqthana]

But you are saying that, if you refuse to accept that if a baby is not intersex (see other posts) it must be M or F.

I think you might be using a different definition of "spectrum" to me.

I've been using it to mean more than just 3 alternatives, but if you want to say that as soon as you have 3 then you've got a spectrum, then where's the logic that says there's no spectrum as soon as you have 2?

 

[morqthana]

And yet you don't like the sex of all the others being recorded, as a biological fact, which it is.

What I don't like are haters and bigots trying to justify their hostility to transgender people on the basis that there is a biological fact that there are only 2 sexes.

Just in case, at some future date, they decide they want to call themselves a kitten, or a kangaroo, or a person of a sex they do not have.

So despite all that you have ever read or heard, you still think that some people are trying to declare themselves to be a different sex.

The clue is in the word transgender.

Do you pay attention to, or understand, anything?