Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[MNW67]

I don't think lesbians are especially keen on sexual relationships with people who are biologically men..

Must be a unique form of lesbianism.

Sexual relationships between two people who are biologically men might be described as homosexual.

These relationships are probably welcomed by many biological female lesbians, because they are very much against trans women joining their groups and spaces.

 

[Koolpc]

You have the choice to heal and untwist the one festering in your head.

Why is it that trans, LGBQT+ visit the shrink more than normal people?

 

[blup]

It’s called gender fluidity, I’ve no idea how it works but choice and flexibility seem to come into the equation

 

[Koolpc]

I agree with a lot of what you have posted this evening.

But this needs further clarification.

What do you mean when you say there are more than two biological sexes.

He is confused and sucked in by social media. There is only male and female...

 

[morqthana]

YouGovThere will be situations where the world doesn't accommodate you. Tough. Life is not fair.

But deliberately imposed unfairness shouldn't happen.

Refusal to ameliorate unfairness when that can reasonably be done shouldn't happen.

Not criticising people who advocate policies and behaviour based on ignorance and bigotry and phobias shouldn't happen.

Where a line has to be drawn, the rights of the majority override the rights of the few.

In a poll by YouGov there was slightly higher opposition to trans women using female toilets and public changing rooms (55% and 58%) than domestic violence refuges (52%).

So do people really think a woman traumatised by male violence, who suffers flashbacks triggered by anything that reminds her of her abuser and who has gone into a refuge to escape all that, is less vulnerable than a woman getting changed in a locked cubicle at the pool?

Or are they simply more worried about spaces that they can easily see themselves using, suggesting the argument is no longer being driven simply by safety concerns?

For example only those with women's bodies can enter a women's sprint race.

OK. So how are you going to define "women's bodies"?

To me, if you're born physically as an X, you're always an X,

The problem with that idea is that you'll find the only way to make that work is to have an awful lot of different X's, not only two.

 

[MNW67]

Or do away with separate toilets.

Works in my house.

Works in the houses of friends and family.

Works in a great many public spaces in this country.

Works in a great many public spaces in many other countries.

I think the toilets in domestic houses can be distinguished from public toilets because there is usually a separate door to the whole room. Rather than just a separate door to each cubicle. Whether that matters is something for discussion.

 

[morqthana]

Please define "pushing" it, and provide evidence of that having happened.

Nope

I didn't think you'd be able to.

Thanks for confirming

 

[morqthana]

So if you don't mention homosexuality to a child will they not feel the urge to have sex with someone the same sex as them?

Where did I say that?

You didn't, but its a valid corollary to ask about given that you did say:

Don't mention it to a child they won't feel the need to change sex.

So if you don't believe that if you don't mention homosexuality to a child they will not feel the need to have sex with someone the same sex as them, why do you believe that not mentioning that some people are transgender will stop children feeling the need to change sex?

And if you do believe it, where's your proof that it works? That nobody would "become" homosexual if the concept was never mentioned to them?

 

[morqthana]

I think "woke" means "not abusing and mistreating people due to their colour, ethnicity, race, nationality, sex, orientation or other personal characteristics."

Some people object to being criticised for doing that.

And it seems, they object to other people not abusing and mistreating etc.

 

[blup]

In a poll by YouGov there was slightly higher opposition to trans women using female toilets and public changing rooms (55% and 58%) than domestic violence refuges (52%).

So do people really think a woman traumatised by male violence, who suffers flashbacks triggered by anything that reminds her of her abuser and who has gone into a refuge to escape all that, is less vulnerable than a woman getting changed in a locked cubicle at the pool?

Both are about protecting women

 

[Lirefighter]

You didn't, but its a valid corollary to ask about given that you did say:



So if you don't believe that if you don't mention homosexuality to a child they will not feel the need to have sex with someone the same sex as them, why do you believe that not mentioning that some people are transgender will stop children feeling the need to change sex?

And if you do believe it, where's your proof that it works? That nobody would "become" homosexual if the concept was never mentioned to them?

Do you think it's acceptable for children to change sex?
Or, go through the medical procedures involved to do so.

 

[transam]

Oh I think you do. I think you really, really do

No I don’t

You that fruit cake himagin back again ??

 

[morqthana]

I agree with a lot of what you have posted this evening.

But this needs further clarification.

What do you mean when you say there are more than two biological sexes.

Gametes (egg/sperm) cannot be used to create a sex binary in humans, because no gametes can be present along with ambiguous gonadal tissue.

This third “undefined” possibility eliminates the possibility for a binary sex classification in humans.

Gametes are only one of multiple sex markers that in aggregate constitute a person’s sex as female, male, or a blend of both (intersex/undefined).

Other critical sex markers beyond gametes include but are not limited to gonads, genitals, chromosomes, sex hormones, and secondary characteristics.

No sex marker, including gametes, present as a sex binary.


On *average*, females *tend* to have XX chromosomes and males *tend* to have XY chromosomes.

But those are not the only options, the situation is absolutely not a binary male or female.

In humans, the following sex chromosome variations are naturally occurring:

45, X, also called Turner syndrome
45,X/46, also called XY mosaicism
46, XX/XY
47, XXX, also called Trisomy X
47, XXY, also called Klinefelter syndrome
47, XYY with normal phenotype
48, XXXX
48, XXXY
48, XXYY
49, XXXXY
49, XXXXX
XX Male Syndrome
XX Gonadal Dysgenesis
XY Gonadal Dysgenesis

 

[MNW67]

No - what prevailed in the court was the courts decision on what the law actually says.

The court did not comment on whether the law is right, or scientifically correct.

This is an important point. All the Supreme Court decided was the meaning of the word "sex" in a particular piece of legislation.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

What would you say if someone identified as a dog?

Woof