Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[MNW67]

It wasn't Robin Moira White was it?

Yes. Are they no good. Seemed to know their stuff.

 

[motorbiking]

Yes. Are they no good. Seemed to know their stuff.

You are aware they are a trans woman?

 

[MNW67]

You are aware they are a trans woman?

I got that impression.

 

[MNW67]

There is a legal requirement to provide separate facilities for employees.

I assumed she was talking about patrons rather than employees.

 

[motorbiking]

I assumed she was talking about patrons rather than employees.

It's not that simple.

 

[MNW67]

I think the last government also amended building regs. to stop gender natural toilets.

I had to Google that. So, I don't know how to reconcile what the barrister said with those rules.

 

[MNW67]

It's not that simple.

More explanation needed!

 

[Deleted member 323070]

You are aware they are a trans woman?

Are you using her chosen gender to use as a character assassination?

Chambers & Partners recognises Robin as a leading junior
Robin appears in courts and tribunals across the whole UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland and acts for employees and employers. Employer clients range from small firms to public bodies and multinational corporations. Robin appears in employment tribunals, the Employment Appeal Tribunal and the Court of Appeal and in injunctive and contractual claims in the High Court and also acts as an advocate in mediations.

Robin White - Old Square Chambers

Recognised as a leading junior barrister, Robin White's practice encompasses all aspects of employment law, bringing a practical eye to employment matters.

oldsquare.co.uk

Perhaps you would like to compare your qualifications and contribution to industrial law with hers?

 

[JohnD]

I thought that would be a tacit understanding,

I asked you what you meant because I didn't know.

If you care, you can try rephrasing your question to make it clear what you mean.

 

[Odds]

I asked you what you meant because I didn't know.

If you care, you can try rephrasing your question to make it clear what you mean.

what was the question, i've forgotten.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

There is a legal requirement to provide separate facilities for employees. I think the last government also amended building regs. to stop gender natural toilets.

Have the right toilets and washing facilities - HSE

Employers must provide adequate toilets and wash facilities for those expected to use them. You must always consider the needs of those with disabilities.

www.hse.gov.uk

I believe the providers have a choice of several different options, within the law.

Employers have to provide facilities suitable for any worker, including those with disabilities, which includes:

Have the right toilets and washing facilities - HSE

Employers must provide adequate toilets and wash facilities for those expected to use them. You must always consider the needs of those with disabilities.

www.hse.gov.uk

And the latest guidance appears to have been politicised in contrast to the response received during the consultation:

The publication follows a 2020 call for evidence, which attracted some 17,500 replies and a subsequent consultation in 2023.
Responses to the consultation showed that 81% of respondents agreed with the intention to provide separate single-sex toilet facilities in applicable buildings, and 82% with the plan for 'universal toilets' where space allows.
A universal toilet is intended for use by all; such facilities are defined as being provided in a fully enclosed room that contains a toilet itself along with a washbasin and hand-drying facilities, for individual use by persons of whatever sex.
The requirement for separate single-sex toilets in non-residential buildings, along with individual or shared single-sex hand-washing facilities, takes effect on 1 October 2024 with the new approved document itself, subject to transitional arrangements for buildings already under construction.
Universal toilets can be provided in addition to single-sex facilities where space allows, and where there is insufficient space for single-sex toilets then fully enclosed universal toilets should be provided.

New toilet criteria set for non-residential buildings

With Approved Document T due to take effect on 1 October, what are the requirements for the design and layout of toilet facilities in new non-residential buildings and changes of use in England?

ww3.rics.org

 

[JohnD]

We do not live in a theocracy. Religious beliefs should not be an exemption from ANYTHING. EVER.

Wanting to have a space for the exclusive use of women, or of men, or of kittens, is not a religious exemption.

The reasons for wanting single sex spaces may sometimes be based on religious belief, and sometimes not.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Wanting to have a space for the exclusive use of women, or of men, or of kittens, is not a religious exemption.

The reasons for wanting single sex spaces may sometimes be based on religious belief, and sometimes not.

You are quite free to use the space usually used by kittens. It's probably far dafter than any religious reason, but I'm not judgmental.
Just don't climb over fences to use your neighbour's garden.

 

[motorbiking]

I had to Google that. So, I don't know how to reconcile what the barrister said with those rules.

might it be that she was representing her side of the argument? i.e. that of a trans activist lawyer, who has written books and subsequently written articles suggesting the Supreme Court got it wrong.

 

[Notch7]

Even Starmer has accepted it.

What he has done was a political mistake

Labour have done a reverse ferret and broken their manifesto

Stupid Labour have fallen in a Tory / Reform trap.