I've titled this thread about migration with EU because in or out the migration to/from non-EU countries is not really affected, other than the flow of refugees.
I'm not, at this point, differentiating between asylum seekers and economic migrants. Neither am I intending to discuss refugees from different parts of the world, because the thread is about migration within EU.
This is just a start and I'm sure I and others will add to this discussion in due course.
To start with, EU migration is extremely dependent on the type of Trade Agreement finally reached with EU, if any, on a Brexit.
If the Trade Agreement is in anyway similar to the EFTA we can be totally confident that the acceptance of the Schengen Agreement will be included. That will mean the dismantling of our borders with EU countries.
Currently, the amount of benefits received by EU migrants is:
£530M received by 131.000 EU migrants. That's 2.5% of the total EU migrants in UK and 1.6% of the total UK benefits bill.
There are about 3.4 million jobs dependent on export to EU.
Our total benefits payable to EU migrants (these include in-work benefits, so they may well be paying into the system to counterbalance their receipts.) is 0.23% of the value of our exports to EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ndum-What-will-Brexit-mean-for-migration.html
Of course other EU countries are also paying benefits to UK citizens resident in their countries.
But supposing some other sort of trading arrangement was concluded, even if it was merely an acceptance of paying each others import tariffs.
As far as immigration benefiting UK is concerned, just look at the number of immigrants in highly important positions in UK. Each time a world re-known medical specialist is interviewed on TV, invariably it's an immigrant.
Some famous immigrants:
Mo Farah, Sir Anish Kapoor, Kazuo Ishiguro, Ulrika Jonsson, Sigmund Freud, Michael marks (M&S), T S. Elliot, Sir Alec Issigonis, Sir Lew Grade, Duke of Edingburgh, Robert Maxwell, Dame Zaha Hadid, Jung Chang,
I could go on and on all day, and still there would be so many more. Sure, these were not all EU migrants. But I simply could not list all the beneficial migration that UK has experienced, and of course, will continue to experience if we're IN. In my mind the report highlighted in the Trade thread indicates that future migration for scientific research will be to EU, not to UK if we're OUT.
I know, you're going to say we could have welcomed those people if we had a points system to control immigration.
But any list of immigrants does not include the sons and daughters of immigrants who were born in UK and went on to give UK so much. Members of society who would simply not be here or received their education if their parents had not made the sometimes desperate journey to give their children a better chance in life. Parents who may have arrived here penniless but made UK their home, struggling to to provide for their children and in so doing proving that immigration has been, on the whole, beneficial to UK.
I'm not, at this point, differentiating between asylum seekers and economic migrants. Neither am I intending to discuss refugees from different parts of the world, because the thread is about migration within EU.
This is just a start and I'm sure I and others will add to this discussion in due course.
To start with, EU migration is extremely dependent on the type of Trade Agreement finally reached with EU, if any, on a Brexit.
If the Trade Agreement is in anyway similar to the EFTA we can be totally confident that the acceptance of the Schengen Agreement will be included. That will mean the dismantling of our borders with EU countries.
Currently, the amount of benefits received by EU migrants is:
£530M received by 131.000 EU migrants. That's 2.5% of the total EU migrants in UK and 1.6% of the total UK benefits bill.
There are about 3.4 million jobs dependent on export to EU.
Our total benefits payable to EU migrants (these include in-work benefits, so they may well be paying into the system to counterbalance their receipts.) is 0.23% of the value of our exports to EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ndum-What-will-Brexit-mean-for-migration.html
Of course other EU countries are also paying benefits to UK citizens resident in their countries.
But supposing some other sort of trading arrangement was concluded, even if it was merely an acceptance of paying each others import tariffs.
As far as immigration benefiting UK is concerned, just look at the number of immigrants in highly important positions in UK. Each time a world re-known medical specialist is interviewed on TV, invariably it's an immigrant.
Some famous immigrants:
Mo Farah, Sir Anish Kapoor, Kazuo Ishiguro, Ulrika Jonsson, Sigmund Freud, Michael marks (M&S), T S. Elliot, Sir Alec Issigonis, Sir Lew Grade, Duke of Edingburgh, Robert Maxwell, Dame Zaha Hadid, Jung Chang,
I could go on and on all day, and still there would be so many more. Sure, these were not all EU migrants. But I simply could not list all the beneficial migration that UK has experienced, and of course, will continue to experience if we're IN. In my mind the report highlighted in the Trade thread indicates that future migration for scientific research will be to EU, not to UK if we're OUT.
I know, you're going to say we could have welcomed those people if we had a points system to control immigration.
But any list of immigrants does not include the sons and daughters of immigrants who were born in UK and went on to give UK so much. Members of society who would simply not be here or received their education if their parents had not made the sometimes desperate journey to give their children a better chance in life. Parents who may have arrived here penniless but made UK their home, struggling to to provide for their children and in so doing proving that immigration has been, on the whole, beneficial to UK.