Dawn Butler exposed

[ellal]

horrendous crime. with a horrendous outcome. A patent’s worse nightmare. I wonder what the family’s opinions were on stop and search before he was murdered.
And no i’m not being cruel or racist or any other label. It would be interesting to know truthfully.

Funnily enough convictions are as follows...

"Number of prosecutions and convictions, and conviction ratio, by ethnicity of defendant"
(latest figures available - 2017)

Asian: 80.3%

Black: 78.7%

White: 85.3%

And yet Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times more likely than 'whites' to be 'stopped and searched'...

Care to reconcile these figures?

 

[sxturbo]

Funnily enough convictions are as follows...

"Number of prosecutions and convictions, and conviction ratio, by ethnicity of defendant"
(latest figures available - 2017)

Asian: 80.3%

Black: 78.7%

White: 85.3%

And yet Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times more likely than 'whites' to be 'stopped and searched'...

Care to reconcile these figures?

thats just conviction rate, not arrests, we all know that conviction rate can be spurious and criminals whom are clearly the culprits get off scott free for a technicality (stephen lawrence murderers for example, RIP SL)

 

[ellal]

thats just conviction rate, not arrests, we all know that conviction rate can be spurious and criminals whom are clearly the culprits get off scott free for a technicality (stephen lawrence murderers for example, RIP SL)

Well essentially what you're saying is that Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times less likely to have committed a crime despite being targeted with 'stop and search' up to 40 times more.
And that they are more likely to be arrested 'just because', but not convicted...!

So could it be that white people are apprehended through due diligence rather than a 'sledge hammer' approach?

And the Stephen Lawrence case is simply a clear illustration of miscarriage of justice by an institutionalised racist police force/justice system!

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

Funnily enough convictions are as follows...

"Number of prosecutions and convictions, and conviction ratio, by ethnicity of defendant"
(latest figures available - 2017)

Asian: 80.3%

Black: 78.7%

White: 85.3%

And yet Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times more likely than 'whites' to be 'stopped and searched'...

Care to reconcile these figures?

why quote my post with something totally unrelated and pointless.
completely disregarded my statement about the poor parents of this young man . because , like the rest of us you already know what the most likely answer will be.

 

[JohnD]

In most part of the world and in the so loved Europe

Which countries do you have in mind?

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

Funnily enough convictions are as follows...

"Number of prosecutions and convictions, and conviction ratio, by ethnicity of defendant"
(latest figures available - 2017)

Asian: 80.3%

Black: 78.7%

White: 85.3%

And yet Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times more likely than 'whites' to be 'stopped and searched'...

Care to reconcile these figures?

prosecutions and convictions for what ? that’s meaningless. epic fail

 

[sxturbo]

Well essentially what you're saying is that Blacks/Asians are up to 40 times less likely to have committed a crime despite being targeted with 'stop and search' up to 40 times more.
And that they are more likely to be arrested 'just because', but not convicted...!

So could it be that white people are apprehended through due diligence rather than a 'sledge hammer' approach?

And the Stephen Lawrence case is simply a clear illustration of miscarriage of justice by an institutionalised racist police force/justice system!

are the figures proportional to population, or just proportional to those that were arrested.

RE: the stephen lawrence murder it was 27 years ago and i'm pretty certain attitudes have changed somewhat, in fact thats the good outcome of his murder in that it gripped the nation and and created a real change of direction, it also forced the police to change their ways and so great strides have been made in race relations and for the better.

obviously you will refute this claim ....

 

[sxturbo]

double post

 

[Tigercubrider]

The success rate of stop and search is 15%
Any other crime fighting/prevention method would be scrapped with that failure rate

If my dr said I had a 15% chance of survival, I'd be bricking it

 

[Munroast]

The success rate of stop and search is 15%
Any other crime fighting/prevention method would be scrapped with that failure rate

If my dr said I had a 15% chance of survival, I'd be bricking it

so would you turn your nose up at a 15% chance ?

if stop and search is reducing knife crime by 15% then in london alone that would have accounted for 20,000 people not being a victim in the last 10 years
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAs...me-in-london-from-april-2008-to-november-2018

just looking at those figures, afro-carib are by far the biggest perpetrators whilst while people are the most likely to be victims. no racism there then!

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

The success rate of stop and search is 15%
Any other crime fighting/prevention method would be scrapped with that failure rate

If my dr said I had a 15% chance of survival, I'd be bricking it

could the low figures suggest it acts as a good deterrent. opposite to what you suggest , or are you too blinkered.

 

[Lower]

The Met police are responsible for 50% of all stop and searches in the UK.

Its being used as a deterrent, so it's success rate may well be low.

Bearing in mind that the Met are only going to carry out stop and search in problem areas and not in the sleepy suburbs, if those areas happen to have a disproportionally high BAME population, it stands to reason that BAME people are going to be stopped disproportionally.

The bigger problem is that the problem areas also tend to be the more deprived areas. Maybe we should be focusing on making those areas less deprived and not just on the ethnicity of the people who live there and let the police get on with their jobs.

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

great strides have been made in race relations and for the better.

totally disagree. the black and bame communities in london and other major cities don’t want good or better relations.
how is sports role models and mp’s and civil servants contriving situations with camera at the ready and going out of their way to find the slightest iota of racism conducive with good relations?

 

[ellal]

The bigger problem is that the problem areas also tend to be the more deprived areas. Maybe we should be focusing on making those areas less deprived and not just on the ethnicity of the people who live there and let the police get on with their jobs.

I believe the relevant phrase is 'no sh it sherlock'!

It's just a shame that those with another agenda don't realise this simple fact!

But it is (and has always been) a 'chicken and egg' situation!

 

[ellal]

totally disagree. the black and bame communities in london and other major cities don’t want good or better relations.

That's the white supremacist argument!