Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[motorbiking]

I think it is simply that we have very different views on what a discussion involves. To me it is all about asking questions, exchanging information and hopefully learning something. So, it doesn’t matter to me, on a public discussion forum, who provides the answer. You, on the other hand, often seem to want a discussion to be about point scoring, setting traps and trying to shame people. So, I can see that if somebody else joins in and actually provides the answer, that might wreck your little schemes. And if that is what you mean by "veiled trolling", I honestly couldn't care less.

You’re on his to be trolled list. You get on it by disagreeing with him or calling out when he’s wrong.

 

[noseall]

Eleven!

How many have you got?

 

[motorbiking]

Until a couple of months ago, I didn't even know there was a Gender Recognition Act. So this is all new to me. But as far as I can see, its primary purpose still exists. It was only the potential conflicts with the Equality Act which the Supreme Court were ruling on.

There isn’t much left of it now.

The right to be called mrs mr ms etc. not much more.

 

[MNW67]

There isn’t much left of it now.

The right to be called mrs mr ms etc. not much more.

Wasn't that the main purpose?

 

[motorbiking]

Wasn't that the main purpose?

There is a lot of it. Some are saying it was drafted in bad faith

 

[morqthana]

Next

I think it depends on whether the woman has a DSD.

Does it? Surely a "woman" with XY chromosomes is an example of a DSD?

Such a person is genetically male, BTW. (And there may be a lot more people like that than we thought.)

I'm not sure why you think that whether a condition is a DSD or not is significant - the point is that whether any particular label is assigned or not, these people do exist, and whatever the percentage is it clearly shows that sex is not a binary male/female. It just isn't, and only the willfully ignorant will keep on claiming it is.

There may not be huge numbers of examples - "only" several tens of thousands in the UK (or hundreds of thousands if your 0.1% is actually 1%, which is another estimate I've seen), but you can't have laws actively designed to discriminate against a minority of people just because they are a small minority.

 

[MNW67]

There is a lot of it. Some are saying it was drafted in bad faith

I've only come across it recently. What do you mean by drafted in bad faith? It looks like the UK were forced to bring it in by the EU. The overall aim seems to be very simple i.e. to allow certain people in restricted circumstances to officially change their gender. But it is quite a long Act, because the knock on consequences for other areas of law and other pieces of legislation needed to be addressed.

 

[MNW67]

There may not be huge numbers of examples - "only" several tens of thousands in the UK (or hundreds of thousands if your 0.1% is actually 1%, which is another estimate I've seen), but you can't have laws actively designed to discriminate against a minority of people just because they are a small minority.

I don't understand this part about laws actively designed to discriminate against people with DSDs. Which laws. Could you explain this a bit more.

 

[motorbiking]

I've only come across it recently. What do you mean by drafted in bad faith? It looks like the UK were forced to bring it in by the EU. The overall aim seems to be very simple i.e. to allow certain people in restricted circumstances to officially change their gender. But it is quite a long Act, because the knock on consequences for other areas of law and other pieces of legislation needed to be addressed.

Some legal experts are suggesting it was deliberately vague. Some are suggesting it needs repealing.

 

[MNW67]

Does it? Surely a "woman" with XY chromosomes is an example of a DSD?

Such a person is genetically male, BTW. (And there may be a lot more people like that than we thought.)

I'm not sure why you think that whether a condition is a DSD or not is significant

I was trying to distinguish between two different situations.

On the one hand, a trans woman who used to be male. And, on the other hand, a woman with a DSD.

 

[motorbiking]

I don't understand this part about laws actively designed to discriminate. Which laws. Could you explain this a bit more.

A man who transitions wants the world to accept him as a woman in absolute terms. That’s now been clarified. A man who transitions becomes a trans women. Not a woman.

Nobody is saying they can’t present themselves as a women, but they aren’t women. It’s just logical.

But obviously not ideal for a trans women who wants it to be treated the same as a biological women.

 

[MNW67]

A man who transitions wants the world to accept him as a woman in absolute terms. That’s now been clarified. A man who transitions becomes a trans women. Not a woman.

Nobody is saying they can’t present themselves as a women, but they aren’t women. It’s just logical.

But obviously not ideal for a trans women who wants it to be treated the same as a biological women.

I think morqthana was referring to laws specifically affecting people with DSDs. That is the bit I was confused over.

 

[motorbiking]

I think morqthana was referring to laws specifically affecting people with DSDs. That is the bit I was confused over.

Unfortunately we have to fit in one of two biological boxes.

 

[morqthana]

I've only come across it recently. What do you mean by drafted in bad faith? It looks like the UK were forced to bring it in by the EU.

The Gender Recognition Act had nothing to do with the EU.

 

[transam]

What’s the Islamic UK councils take or view on this caper

Do tran sexual blokes get to go pray in the woman’s section of the mosque or do they have to use the blokes section ???