new combi boiler install: not happy

[toptec]

Tony Glazier

Apologies.

Why don't the IPHE advertise themselves more then? I'm sure most customers would prefer them than a toothless registration agency with little interest in improving technical standards.

TBH Joe public assumes if someone/a company is Corgi you are in good hands!

 

[D_Hailsham]

[The Worcester Bosch documentation says clearly that for this model bypass is not required, but even if it is, I think it should be automatic.

The Installation Instructions (Part 1, page 11) do say "an automatic bypass may be required in order to maintain the minimum flow-rate through the appliance"

 

[tonybhoy]

[The Worcester Bosch documentation says clearly that for this model bypass is not required, but even if it is, I think it should be automatic.

The Installation Instructions (Part 1, page 11) do say "an automatic bypass may be required in order to maintain the minimum flow-rate through the appliance"

Yes and WB don't stipulate anywhere in the MIs what that flow rate should be however.

Six litres per minute for a 37CDI is what is required according to WB tech who told me they had never been asked this particular question and the scary thing is I actually believe that to be the case.

BTW,I agree entirely with the poster who said that Corgi needs to ensure the public are better informed cause at this moment in time the public generally don't have the slightest clue what being Corgi registered actually means.

 

[gigz]

At least it looks as though he used a heat mat

 

[doitall]

I chanced on my first CORGI number yesterday and it was about 27,674 ! Just as well I got a later one otherwise people would think that I am getting old! Tony

Flippin heck Tony, if you take the 27 away thats almost identical to you know who.

 

[clf-gas]

Yes and WB don't stipulate anywhere in the MIs what that flow rate should be however.

Six litres per minute for a 37CDI is what is required according to WB tech who told me they had never been asked this particular question and the scary thing is I actually believe that to be the case.

Let me Personally assure you Tony, WB Tech have been asked these questions, and as a result of the answers I fit auto by-passes to all my installations, as most of you know I only fit WB.

to the OP, even if that gate valve was an auto by-pass its far to close to the boiler, also dont worry about the snotty solder as long as the joints are are not leaking, but get a damp rag and wipe off the green on the pipes, it appears he's used power flow

The Installation Instructions (Part 1, page 11) do say "an automatic bypass may be required in order to maintain the minimum flow-rate through the appliance"

I thank you Mr Hailsham

 

[easyflow]

The pipework really is not that bad!

People on this site love to be critical of all other people's work!

Tony

Tony Tony Tony.
Your right people on this site may love to be critical but this job gives good cause.
Look at the soldering not wiped(snoted on every joint ) not a proper bend in sight, no clips anywhere, flux left on the copper work, all those elbows gives lots of restriction on flow and return and gas, its a nightmare job.

 

[doitall]

Correct easyflow and the more they get away with the worse it will get.

In London as Tony said its a good job, perhaps thats why they are willing to pay me £100+ a night to stay in a hotel

 

[tonybhoy]

Let me Personally assure you Tony, WB Tech have been asked these questions, and as a result of the answers I fit auto by-passes to all my installations, as most of you know I only fit WB.

Well then clf-gas I bow to your superior knowledge in this particular matter........

HOWEVER when I asked this very Q of WB tech in January of this year I was told it would have to go to R&D and that they would get back to me,which they did ,the next day

 

[toptec]

In London as Tony said its a good job, perhaps thats why they are willing to pay me £100+ a night to stay in a hotel

A DSS Hostel for you then Doitall !

 

[doitall]

In London as Tony said its a good job, perhaps thats why they are willing to pay me £100+ a night to stay in a hotel

A DSS Hostel for you then Doitall !

Jury's or Posthouse

 

[Agile]

I would say that its about the average of what I see in London!

Tony

I never said that it was good!!!

But it may not look very nice but still quite workable.

Now this afternoon I saw a much worse one!!! The flue had multiple faults! The gas isolation valve had been fitted to the CH flow! A CH isolation valve had been fitted to the gas but that was stolen by the BG man who came and capped off the gas supply.

The BG man said he would come and correct it but never came back. The Owner thought he would be coming under the BG banner but I think he was intending to come on a homer.

BG were less than honest! they had taken 18 months of insurance cover but when they did come they found multiple faults and cancelled the cover but did not refund the payments.

An Iranian who said he was CORGI took some money and was never seen again. Now its down to me to fix it.

BG had not identified the real fault either! They blamed the flue whereas the real fault was the boiler flue elbow seal was missing.

The boiler had been installed by a non reg subcontractor to the plumber who quoted for the job.

Thats quite a clever subterfuge! The non reg plumber quotes £3300 for a boiler and four rads and says he will get a CORGI to fit the boiler. Gets some third world non reg but by then the trail is distant and identities have been lost !!!

Quite clever!

The Owner, from Afghanistan, has little knowledge of whos who and employs any third world person introduced by his countrymen without a CORGI in sight.

Thats the senario I see every week!!!

CORGI will not do anything to investigate these people and they just carry on unhindered!

I post all this information weekly on public forums but CORGI have NEVER contacted me with proposals to do anything to stop the deceipt !

The one who may lose out is the genuine plumber who quoted for the CH installation as he has given a name and address and the architect might just decide to claim compensation for the unsafe boiler installation.

Tony

 

[clf-gas]

Well then clf-gas I bow to your superior knowledge in this particular matter........

No need to bow TB, Ive read some of your postings before, it appears you have enough WB knowledge

 

[corgiman]

I am pretty sure that WB INSIST on at least 22mm minimum gas pipe to their boilers so that 15mm is going to blow any warrantee out of the window.

as has been said that is the shonckiest bit of work I have seen in a while and I hate having a go at another mans work but jaysus thats ruff

Actually, ALL the installers I asked for a quote (including the most recommended one) said that it's not necessary if the gas pressure is tested and is ok. The 15mm probably run only for a few meters: there a 22mm pipe coming out of the gas meter which probably goes down to 15mm under the floor just in front of the boiler...

Thanks

It probably works luvverly on a bit of 15mm but that wasnt my point

Check with worcester and I think you will find that they state 22mm gas pipe as a minimum not matter what the circumstances and what they say goes.

It will only be a problem IF you have a breakdown and they attend.

 

[namsag]

Can just see it ,Agile driving around by the address he is working at looking for a telephone box or similar so he can get changed into his super hero costume before knockin on the door.
Does health and safety not say anything about working in a mask and wearing a cape tony surely it must be dangerous