A year of Keir

[SirGalahad]

Traditional labour. Labour have completely taken them for granted.

Where did I lay blame at anyone’s door step?
I didn’t “blame” anyone.

So you blame Labour for doing nothing. Were they in power? According to you there is a general feeling that Labour has done nothing to help these people even though Labour isn't in power. You did say the DM had a strong readership - it figures.

Blame someone else for the problems always works when the public are misinformed.

As to the leveling up Agenda..

 

[sxturbo]

So you blame Labour for doing nothing. Were they in power? According to you there is a general feeling that Labour has done nothing to help these people even though Labour isn't in power. You did say the DM had a strong readership - it figures.

Blame someone else for the problems always works when the public are misinformed.

As to the leveling up Agenda..

I think you missed the point.

Labour decided to dismiss there core group of voters and went far left, this prompted a number of traditional labour supporters to go from centre left to centre right and ended up with a landslide victory for the buffoon.

Labour are powerless to do anything for the next 4 years, he can try and hold the government to account as much as he likes but frankly the scales are tipped too far in the cons corner.

Keir needs to change his parties tactic, first up is to admit where they went wrong in the last election, which they genuinely believe they didn't do anything wrong and they don't need to change.

He then needs to remove the far left and woke influence from within his party.

And whilst doing that he needs to keep throwing punches at the PM and ensure that when he does he hits hard, currently of which he is unable to do.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Labour decided to dismiss there core group of voters and went far left, this prompted a number of traditional labour supporters to go from centre left to centre right and ended up with a landslide victory for the buffoon.

According to Conservatives.

Labour are powerless to do anything for the next 4 years, he can try and hold the government to account as much as he likes but frankly the scales are tipped too far in the cons corner.

The electorate have short term memories. If it were not for the success of the vaccine rollout, the conservatives would be reeling form criticism over Brexit and the pandemic now.

Keir needs to change his parties tactic, first up is to admit where they went wrong in the last election, which they genuinely believe they didn't do anything wrong and they don't need to change.

The Conservatives have never done so, why do you think it is a requirement for Labour.

He then needs to remove the far left and woke influence from within his party.

But the Conservatives can retain their far right and racists?

And whilst doing that he needs to keep throwing punches at the PM and ensure that when he does he hits hard, currently of which he is unable to do.

BJ will commit some horrendous gaff sooner or later, and then there'll be a party in-fight.

 

[Dangee]

Spot on SX. Shame others can’t have a civilised debate like you do.

 

[SirGalahad]

I think you missed the point.

Labour decided to dismiss there core group of voters and went far left, this prompted a number of traditional labour supporters to go from centre left to centre right and ended up with a landslide victory for the buffoon.

Labour are powerless to do anything for the next 4 years, he can try and hold the government to account as much as he likes but frankly the scales are tipped too far in the cons corner.

Keir needs to change his parties tactic, first up is to admit where they went wrong in the last election, which they genuinely believe they didn't do anything wrong and they don't need to change.

He then needs to remove the far left and woke influence from within his party.

And whilst doing that he needs to keep throwing punches at the PM and ensure that when he does he hits hard, currently of which he is unable to do.

Labour miscalculated with Corbyn - they thought as the Tories shift further right they should shift further left. Throw in Brexit which cut Labour in half- its older supporters were pro Brexit. Brexit would not lose votes for the Tories as their voting bloc tended to be older and were pro Brexit. What supporters they lost was to the Lib Dems.

Keir has started to purge his party - look at his policies and his treatment of the Corbynites - but it will take time - they are firmly central now but that's not enough.

This supposed woke influence is just a phantom idea pushed by the press. What does woke influence even mean?

The only policy I suport is PR and the end of two party politics. I voted Tory twice and I wouldn't vote for them ever again until they came back to the centre or centre/right.

Looking at the Hartlepool election - Tory could win this as the Brexit vote has essentialy split for them. However looking deeper into the polling their was big support for two policies - Rail Nationalisation and Free Broadband - both Labour ideas. It seems that people like some ideas from Labour but not the label Labour. Well done the Press.

 

[sxturbo]

We'll see in 4 years time where the land lies.

I was labour for all my voting years until the last 2 elections.

 

[SirGalahad]

Here is the disconnect. This is from Hartlepool - opinion poll

NHS Pay rise

3% pay rise - 43%

10% pay rise- 42%

1% pay rise - 10%

No pay rise- 2%



Options for Royal Mail:

Nationalise 57%

Keep as private 29%



Support or oppose a policy of providing all households and businesses free broadband by 2030

Support 69%

Oppose 18%


So they like the Labour Policies and not the Conservative policies but they vote for the opposite.

The problem is culture and narrative which is shaped by the media.

 

[teaboyjim]

I think they should nationalize buses, trains, energy, utilities - ultimately I think that's the way things are going to be in the future
Socialism will come back into society as a necessary reaction to the free reign of unadulterated pure capitalism which doesn't work, destroys people, destroys lives and destroys the environment

 

[SirGalahad]

 

[SirGalahad]

I think they should nationalize buses, trains, energy, utilities - ultimately I think that's the way things are going to be in the future
Socialism will come back into society as a necessary reaction to the free reign of unadulterated pure capitalism which doesn't work, destroys people, destroys lives and destroys the environment

And? People will vote against their best interests as the media shapes the narrative.

A functioning democray requires an informed public - how can you have that when the media estates are owned by 5 billionaires and the BBC has been politicised by the Tory party.

Case in point - there was a massive revelation by Accuri of her affair with Boris and the money the Tory party spent paying Boris legal fees. Years gone past Ministers resigned because they tried to fast track the visa application of their Nanny or a minister did not register a loan from a minsterlal collegaue.

The public are so distracted and triggered on phantom issues they are being fleeced.

I don't hold out much hope.

 

[Vinty]

I think they should nationalize buses, trains, energy, utilities - ultimately I think that's the way things are going to be in the future
They should however do this without bankrupting the country - people will have to get used to paying more tax
Government should try to stop the waste in government then more of our tax can go to the places it needs to go to
Socialism will come back into society as a necessary reaction to the free reign of unadulterated pure capitalism which doesn't work, destroys people, destroys lives and destroys the environment

I think they should nationalise Wetherspoons.
Once the bill for the pandemic comes in everyone will need a stiff drink.

 

[Vinty]

And? People will vote against their best interests as the media shapes the narrative.

A functioning democray requires an informed public - how can you have that when the media estates are owned by 5 billionaires and the BBC has been politicised by the Tory party.

Case in point - there was a massive revelation by Accuri of her affair with Boris and the money the Tory party spent paying Boris legal fees. Years gone past Ministers resigned because they tried to fast track the visa application of their Nanny or a minister did not register a loan from a minsterlal collegaue.

The public are so distracted and triggered on phantom issues they are being fleeced.

I don't hold out much hope.

Very noble sentiments you express but the problem is there is no viable alternative to the Tories at the moment.

 

[teaboyjim]

I think they should nationalise Wetherspoons.
Once the bill for the pandemic comes in everyone will need a stiff drink.

You got that so right Vinty!!!

 

[SirGalahad]

Very noble sentiments you express but the problem is there is no viable alternative to the Tories at the moment.

Therein lies the problem. A minority of the voters and vote share end up being in power. It's winner takes all.

Many people have complex views where they shift left or right on issues and no party can cater for all their nuances so they rally their supporters around real or fake causes to win power.

What do you mean by viable? Look at the current Tories handing of no bid contracts to their friends and donors. The Brexit lies, the 150k deaths etc.

If you are saying anyone else even labour would be worse is not based on reality but just conjecture and projection which gets shaped by the media.

 

[teaboyjim]

I think they should nationalise Wetherspoons.
Once the bill for the pandemic comes in everyone will need a stiff drink.

There's surely going to be a huge bill