Bloody foreigners

[ajohn]

National minimum wage is about £17k a year. Wage for a newly qualified nurse is £24k. It's not that great tbh, and certainly no reflection of the hard work and importance of their job. If someone earns £19k or so a year, they have to start paying back the student loan. So no, I don't think that starting a nursing career in almost 40k debt (probably more with costs of living) is that much of a carrot...

Getting full time work at minimum wage isn't that easy for many, lots of it is by no means secure anyway and 24k is a significant improvement. Never asked my son what his debt is but £40k sounds rather high to me. We couldn't help him that much only for food and a bit extra. Some get a part time job. They often find that they are required to do too many hours to the extent that it can interfere with study or make it more difficult. My son decided to install flat pack furniture so wasn't bothered too often. Another student did price matching work for B&Q and far too much work and they were not at all interested in splitting the job between 2.

Anyhow its' a fact that below say the upper middle class people finish up in debt as the university costs have to be paid and they often need to find somewhere to live as well. Books etc are overpriced and get updated regularly and are used to aid lectures so latest version have to be bought often year by year. So following years of taxation supporting higher level educations debt has been added as far more go into it. When they graduate they may still find it difficult to find the job they have trained for and may even find themselves still living with mum and dad for some time. The fact that universities charge seems to have attracted a lot more foreign students so people are being educated for other countries. The universities want more paying customers so are glad to oblige. The "calibre" of universities is seen as a variable as well. Some degrees carry more weight than others. Not everybody can go to Cambridge or Oxford and not all kids are crammed in preparation for exams - that does cost parents if they go down that route.

There is way more that people need to think about these days when starting a career. Future advancement is another one.One of our local GP's nurses is training to be a doctor. Must have decided that she is as bright as she has found they are. She knows others doing the same and some that have succeeded. Her background is nothing like the ones the usual GP has.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Getting full time work at minimum wage isn't that easy for many, lots of it is by no means secure anyway and 24k is a significant improvement. Never asked my son what his debt is but £40k sounds rather high to me.

University fees are nearly 10k a year. Average course is 3 years long so that's nearly £30k in debt already before you take into account living costs and the interest on the loans they're taking out.
It's a massive debt imo. And yes, nursing is a reliable job, I don't think that it's very tempting to people to take on such a debt in order to earn a relatively low wage. Clearly, by the lack of people applying since the bursary was dropped, the youngsters feel the same.

 

[SirGalahad]

A five year medical, dental etc course will now have you in debt over 100k once you factor in tuition and living costs. I would expect it will cost about £20-30k a yr for tuition fees, rental and living expenses.

Then after all that they get to risk their lives to save people who probably still don't appreciate their sacrifices and commitment.

 

[ajohn]

University fees are nearly 10k a year. Average course is 3 years long so that's nearly £30k in debt already before you take into account living costs and the interest on the loans they're taking out.
It's a massive debt imo. And yes, nursing is a reliable job, I don't think that it's very tempting to people to take on such a debt in order to earn a relatively low wage. Clearly, by the lack of people applying since the bursary was dropped, the youngsters feel the same.

Yep - my son went through before a certain lot increased the tuition fees. I bought all of his books. Accommodation costs will have gone up. More people are going elsewhere since they went up as well. My sons was near 20k. That could near double. No car, crap accommodation as halls of residence are mostly used for 1st year students - commercially owned anyway. Maybe via PFI. University extensions etc may be paid the same way.

He was lucky on heating costs sharing with one other. Chinese students both sides in terraced properties so they kept him warm. On the 2nd year anyway. They had to get public health people in when 6 stayed in the larger house before - damp. Landlord gave them a months free rent to repaint the place to hide it.

 

[ellal]

A five year medical, dental etc course will now have you in debt over 100k once you factor in tuition and living costs. I would expect it will cost about £20-30k a yr for tuition fees, rental and living expenses.

Then after all that they get to risk their lives to save people who probably still don't appreciate their sacrifices and commitment.

Boris of course being one of those who won't appreciate their 'sacrifices and commitment' when this is all over and when he sells the NHS off...

In order to pay part of the national debt whilst getting a trade deal with the US, and not the 'personal debt' he apparently owes!

Of course UK students could take the opportunity to take their medical courses in EU countries, and end up with very little or no debt.

Oops...

That opportunity ends at the end of December 2020

 

[durhamplumber]

No one on here,remain or brexit hero has ever suggested that it is a good idea to stop people from Europe living in the UK and working as a Nurse or Doctor.

 

[Bodd]

No one on here,remain or brexit hero has ever suggested that it is a good idea to stop people from Europe living in the UK and working as a Nurse or Doctor.

Or anyone around the world. All I ask is that they are good people.

 

[Munroast]

sadly the whole immigration thing surrounding brexit has ended up in a monumental mess. The vast majority of us do not want this huge influx (200,000+ per year) of economic immigrants and pretend refugees flooding in from africa and the middle east, on the other hand we do need to share freedom of movement among similar european countries and cultures, it is important to our economy. Sadly due to farage and brexit misleading many, we are now putting a stop to the migration we need and the ones we never wanted are arriving in even greater numbers.

what a mess (and I say that as someone who is along way from being anti brexit)

edit; added the bold word to make it clearer

 

[JohnD]

So you want to talk about refugees? Not immigrants?

What year did the UK take in 200,000 refugees?

and what year did it take in 13,442?

 

[Munroast]

no

 

[JohnD]

(a) Not even 1939

and

(b) 2018

 

[Munroast]

(a) Not even 1939

and

(b) 2018

i would always welcome genuine refugees if this wss the first country of safety they got to.

edited my post to make it clearer for you

 

[JohnD]

So how many "pretend refugees flooding in from africa and the middle east" do you think UK has taken in?

I'm not at all sure that thirteen thousand is a "flood"

Or that they were "pretend"

I do however think that your allegation is both inflammatory and false.

 

[durhamplumber]

So how many "pretend refugees flooding in from africa and the middle east" do you think UK has taken in?

I'm not at all sure that thirteen thousand is a "flood"

Or that they were "pretend"

I do however think that your allegation is both inflammatory and false.

You would let the whole world in,we know that.

 

[JohnD]

silly dum

I wonder if he thinks that 13,442 = 200,000 = a flood.