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How many ticketless fans were in the stadium, contributing to events ? Or are Liverpool fans not prepared to stand up and be counted ?
Commons Statement on Hillsborough
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Erm who opened the gates ?? Another pr1ck give's a brainless comment ffs
You just don't get it do you.
The larger Liverpool contingent were given the smaller, older end of the ground, exactly the same as the previous year when liverpool secretary Peter Robinson complained bitterly about it on safety grounds.
Having been delayed by traffic hold ups and with hardly any effective crowd control outside, the police opened a gate to allow supporters in to try to avoid a serious problem.
Inside the gate there was again no crowd control and no one directing fans in. The fans went to the central pens where the crushing happened. There is no way those fans at the back realised what was happening at the front.
There were other pens that weren't nearly as full, but no one directing people there.
As the tragedy unfolded there were people who could have been saved with oxygen, but were denied help because the police told the ambulance drivers to stay off the pitch because "they" the fans were still "fighting" as in rioting.
Then they lied to protect themselves and in the process smeared the name of liverpool victims, fans and the city itself.
The infamous phrase "self pity city" and others were born out of this tragedy and the unwillingness of the Hillsborough families to accept the injustice.
There will have been some Liverpool fans bunking in, I'm sure some Forest fans did as well. Same as any other team in a big game. So what???
If you still don't understand....p*ss off.
Not many....as the police stopped every single coach on the way to the ground and asked to see all tickets, also stopped cars and most fans walking to the ground......educate yourself first before making stupid comments like that.
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Is that true?
If so it would have taken a monumental effort and would have taken a very long time indeed.
A point being missed by those who say it happened 20 years ago, so move on.
The cover up was being continued until last week. Some of those who are involved in the cover up are still serving, some in senior positions.
As for the Sun, 'investigative' journalism ? That stable of papers can dig up info when it wants.
I remember Jasper Carrott's joke about Sun Readers - a survey of Sun readers showed 50% thought it supported Labour, and the other 50% thought it was a newspaper
The cover up was being continued until last week. Some of those who are involved in the cover up are still serving, some in senior positions.
As for the Sun, 'investigative' journalism ? That stable of papers can dig up info when it wants.
I remember Jasper Carrott's joke about Sun Readers - a survey of Sun readers showed 50% thought it supported Labour, and the other 50% thought it was a newspaper
Several respondents to my posts resorting to insults and tantrums, shows how mature they are, what a surprise they are in the "it's the authorities fault" camp, children have no sense of responsibility.
It's the polices fault for not starting a riot by turning them away!
Why, are they not adults, do they not have a sense of social responsibility?
Of course if they are nothing more than stupid animals, of course it's the fault of the handlers, the police.
Are you comparing Liverpool fans to stupid animals?
Would YOU push at the back of the crowd, would YOU give no thought to who might be up front, children, elderly, or would YOU just act like an animal, pushing and grunting as a caged beast would.
Go on, put your hands up if you would do that, funny how several people ignore that question and instead resorts to insults.
The police are guilty of incompetence and then covering up that incompetence, yes, something should be done about that, but the crowd are the ones who are responsible for shoving each other, and that blame should not be shifted to another party.
It's the polices fault for not starting a riot by turning them away!
Why, are they not adults, do they not have a sense of social responsibility?
Of course if they are nothing more than stupid animals, of course it's the fault of the handlers, the police.
Are you comparing Liverpool fans to stupid animals?
Would YOU push at the back of the crowd, would YOU give no thought to who might be up front, children, elderly, or would YOU just act like an animal, pushing and grunting as a caged beast would.
Go on, put your hands up if you would do that, funny how several people ignore that question and instead resorts to insults.
The police are guilty of incompetence and then covering up that incompetence, yes, something should be done about that, but the crowd are the ones who are responsible for shoving each other, and that blame should not be shifted to another party.
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I seem to recall the game kicked off with thousands of fans that had been to the pubs stuck in the tunnel. Unable to see what was going on they started pushing. There was nowhere for the fans in the cage to go and hence the crush. I seem to remember the gate being opened to relieve the crush outside.
The tunnel had a slope downwards of 1 in 6, the fans in there were pushed along because of the pressure from behind.
Exactly the same thing happened to Tottenham fans years before when police opened that gate to let them in, there weren't any deaths that day because the fans on the terraces were able to move sideways out of the way.
There were crush injuries and afterwards the pens were added, stopping liverpool fans from moving sideways.
The turnstiles were ancient and didn't work properly slowing everything down outside.
Sheffield Wednesday knew all this, so did the police but they still opened that gate.
You have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps you should stfu.
Exactly the same thing happened to Tottenham fans years before when police opened that gate to let them in, there weren't any deaths that day because the fans on the terraces were able to move sideways out of the way.
There were crush injuries and afterwards the pens were added, stopping liverpool fans from moving sideways.
The turnstiles were ancient and didn't work properly slowing everything down outside.
Sheffield Wednesday knew all this, so did the police but they still opened that gate.
You have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps you should stfu.
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But the guy on the gate saw people being crushed. Would you support him now if the crush had happened outside? Or would you call for the 'idiot' to be hanged for not opening the gate?
Disasters are a string of events - not just one.
Disasters are a string of events - not just one.
Dukinfield gave the order to open the gate. He was in the control room with cameras showing inside and outside.
He had no experience of crowd control methods at football matches and only replaced someone who did weeks before.
It was his inaction and misreading of the situation once the gate was opened that exacerbated the tragedy, and the terrible lies afterwards blaming the fans who were behaving just like any other fans, which have ensured that this thing was never going to go away until the truth came out. Which it is starting to do now 23 years later, don't you think that that's a bit scandalous?
He had no experience of crowd control methods at football matches and only replaced someone who did weeks before.
It was his inaction and misreading of the situation once the gate was opened that exacerbated the tragedy, and the terrible lies afterwards blaming the fans who were behaving just like any other fans, which have ensured that this thing was never going to go away until the truth came out. Which it is starting to do now 23 years later, don't you think that that's a bit scandalous?
People who still think that the Liverpool fans were somehow to blame for Hillsborough should go and have a read of the Man U forum red cafe.
There's endless threads on there expressing hatred and derision for Liverpool and their fans.
But read the Hillsborough thread and you'll see nothing but sympathy and empathy, thousands of them and other clubs fans signed that e-petition.
Because they know that it could just as easily been them that day if they had beaten Forest in the previous round.
There's endless threads on there expressing hatred and derision for Liverpool and their fans.
But read the Hillsborough thread and you'll see nothing but sympathy and empathy, thousands of them and other clubs fans signed that e-petition.
Because they know that it could just as easily been them that day if they had beaten Forest in the previous round.
Cmon, why don't you answer my question.
Would you push at people in front of you in a crowd, with no concern as to anyone vulnerable being crushed or hurt further up in the crowd.
Have some moral courage and say you would or wouldn't do it instead of hiding behind insults.
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