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Honour our commitments on leaving the EU ? Sod off...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by gasbanni, 15 Oct 2017.

  1. JohnD

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    If you seriously believed that (you don't) you and the others could link hands and chant "everything's great" and the pound would rise, EU doctors and nurses would apply to work for the NHS, and industry would invest in Britain.
     
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  3. SirGalahad

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    If there was a clear and achievable Brexit plan then remainers could get behind it. At the moment we are walking towards the cliff edge and anyone who sees this as something wonderful and can't wait to jump do not live in the real world.

    In the absence of any deal we will have to adjust immediately there will be demand shocks as people cut back spending as the future is uncertain and then supply shocks as import prices rise. In all this chaos the Government will be weakened in its response.

    People will substitute goods and services for either lesser quality where they can or go without. What you will get is even more QE and cheap money as the government tries to stave off a sharp fall in GDP.

    Nobody likes uncertainty as you cannot plan. The pound will drop but don't see that as an automatic benefit for exporters, the impact will be felt greater through inflation.
     
  4. motorbiking

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    Lets not confuse the old school negotiation strategy being played.
    EU - We'll keep asking for more until your time is up and you have to give in.
    UK - we are happy to walk and you'll have to start cancelling projects and taking pay cuts.

    The EU wants a deal with us, partly to prevent us from getting better deals elsewhere.

    Inflation - will push the pound up in value.
     
  5. JohnD

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    that's interesting, motorbiking. What do you think the EU wants?

    It wants an orderly, well-managed exit. It knows this will take a lot of work and considerable time. it doesn't want a disorganised shambles. What do you imagine it could gain from spinning out decisions and agreements? Do you think it is pleased to see a UK government that can't even agree its own objectives? Where the Foreign Secretary is angling to depose the Prime Minister? Where the cabinet is riven by division? Where the government has, by its own folly, lost its majority and created a teetering coalition of chaos that is constantly on the brink of collapse?

    It wants the UK to propose a workable solution to the Northern Ireland problem. The UK government is unable to do that.

    It has four possible options for the post-Brexit relationship. The Brexiteers don't want any of the possible ones.
     
  6. SirGalahad

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    1 - The US has knocked back one proposal already and China is notoriously protective. Can you list these deals? You do know WTO members you cannot have favourable deals between different members.

    2 - Not necessarily -
     
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    deal with the US?

    Just try to sell them aircraft wings



    "protection will lead to great prosperity and strength"
     
  8. motorbiking

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    I’m sure you’ve both negotiated in your lives?

    I really, really want that house at any price = i’m not interested unless you can get to a more realistic offer.
     
  9. SirGalahad

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    https://www.ft.com/content/92bb5636-a95b-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97

    Trump rejects May’s post-Brexit agriculture deal with EU

    I wish deal making was simply just setting a price. Some on here are either naive or cavalier with the truth.
     
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  11. motorbiking

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    oops looks like the crazy switch just flipped back on again. it was nice having a rational moment at least.

    WTO rules if applied as above would actually prevent the EU from applying any tariff on UK goods. In reality it is testing and conformity to standards which enables trade barriers. There is nothing fundamentally preventing favourable agreements between parties effectively licensing them to self certify.
     
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    In the last general election the only party that wanted a 2nd referendum , the liberals did not do very well.

    the referendum vote was democracy in action.

    The house of commons had a vote as well & chose not to vote the referendum down tbh they had very little choice

    tis all above board & sorted. we are out & will be coming out.

    hard brexit ? soft brexit ? no deal ? transition period ?
     
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    so it's all going according to (your) plan?

    "Brexit bill delayed over Government fears it would be defeated in Commons revolt"
    "
    Brexit preparations have been plunged into further chaos after the key legislation was shelved for up to a month because of Commons revolts.

    The flagship European Union (Withdrawal) Bill is not expected to be put back before MPs until mid-November. It was originally due to be debated this week.

    The move follows an avalanche of amendments – some signed by significant numbers of Tory backbenchers – which threaten the Government with defeat."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-tory-rebels-labour-theresa-may-a8006831.html

    You must be so pleased.

    Supremacy of Parliament, did you say?
     
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    The EU, or at least Germany and France dont want an orderly, well managed Brexit, they want our cash

    The EU has a lot to gain from spinning out agreements, it keeps a transition period going on and on so the UK keeps paying its subs.

    The EU may have 28 member states but only about 9 of them are net contributors.
     
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    Do you reckon the Tory party have cottoned on? Why don't you drop TM a text?
     
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    Oh notch, you are silly.
     
  17. SirGalahad

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    Now flip the reality switch on.

    "We would like to record that such an outcome would not be consistent with the principle of leaving other WTO members no worse off, nor fully honour the existing TRQ access commitments."

    "The catch is that the EU has tariff bindings at the WTO, but the UK hasn’t. Although the UK is technically a member of the WTO, because the WTO agreement provided that all members of the GATT automatically became members - and the GATT predated UK membership of the EEC (now EU) - it’s not in practical terms a member in full and will need to establish tariff bindings, etc. That’s when things get ‘sticky,’ when the US and others can hold out for concessions, for increased quotas from the UK.

    The same is less likely to happen vis-à-vis the EU, first because it’s a member in full, second because the EU can apply its own pressures."

    How would one self certify and keep withing WTO rules?
     
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