PART P, ive got an interesting one.

[UKMICKY]

I help answer questons on a land law forum and someone has asked how they can get a electrical box for a kitchen install which has been placed so its basically in there garden without permision removed .

Normally this is a straight forward reply but i was wondring if the install has broken any part p regs.

If a new instalation has been completed but an electrical box (dont know what its for)has been placed on a outside wall 4 foot from the ground in the neighbours garden without permision ,so legally is on the neighbours property as its in their airspace, should the neighbour be give the relevant paperwork to show it is part p compliant as well as the owner of the wall its attached to.

If so what should the neighbour do about it.

 

[sparkiedave]

any circuit alterations within the dwelling would only result in the owner of "that" dwelling being issued with the relavent certificates normally, someone from that property must have given the sparky permission to put the box where it is so I would imagine the argument is purely with the respective land owners as to initial permission and possible access for maintenance if the box contains any connections, interesting one tho!

 

[big-all]

i certainly don't know the answer but something like duty off care and not having a knowingly dangerous installation fitted or unprotected???

 

[Spark123]

Firstly if the person is unhappy get them to speak to their neighbour and try to resolve it amicably.

 

[JACKC]

Sounds to me like this install has not been carried out by a part p registered electrician. I would speak to the local Building Control to see if this has been registered with them and who carried out the install. I would then ask them to inspect the said works as it i do not know of any electrician who would install a socket in the air over someone elses property. Then when it was dark I would take a sledge hammer to it until it was on or over the boundary.

 

[UKMICKY]

Sounds to me like this install has not been carried out by a part p registered electrician. I would speak to the local Building Control to see if this has been registered with them and who carried out the install. I would then ask them to inspect the said works as it i do not know of any electrician who would install a socket in the air over someone elses property. Then when it was dark I would take a sledge hammer to it until it was on or over the boundary.

From what i gather its a square box and it was installed without permision while the home owner was at work.. My advice was as someone has said and talk to building control , i was just wondering about your opinions were as this is outside and therefore came under part p.

I Thought the land owner should be part of the part p process even though the landowner in this respect wasnt the one who commisioned the work and is only the landowner as it is over hanging their airspace.

 

[sparkiedave]

Could be an IP rated adaptable box, not sure it could be conceived as being dangerous if that was the case, not sure why it would be there, whenever I work on a place where I may have to stray onto a neighbours property, I make sure it has been sorted between neighbours first, preferably whilst introducing me to the neighbour,saves hassle in the long run

 

[Stoday]

If the boundary is the outside surface of the wall, then any electrical equipment attached to the wall is within the curtilage of the neighbour and not the owner of the wall. However, there is no way for the neighbour to know if the work is notifiable or not, hence the neighbour can't really persue that line of complaint.

However, it is very likely that the two houses are connected to different phases, so the wiring introduces a 400V danger inside the curtilage of the neighbour. I would think this is the better line to persue.

 

[ColJack]

just "accidentally" smash it off the wall with something non conductive ( "Oh sorry, I was carrying this timber roud to the back garden and caught it...." )..

how big is this box?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I help answer questons on a land law forum and someone has asked how they can get a electrical box for a kitchen install which has been placed so its basically in there garden without permision removed .

1) By asking nicely.

2) By embarking on expensive and divisive legal action.

3) By means of criminal damage.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

should the neighbour be give the relevant paperwork to show it is part p compliant as well as the owner of the wall its attached to.

The relevant paper work should be given to the person ordering the work

what should the neighbour do about it.

Call the police, report trespassing and criminal damage to property.

 

[bernardgreen]

From memory I believe the simpliest solution is for the owner of the box to purchase or rent a wayleave from his neighbour for the box. That would "legallise" the situation. The wayleave should provide terms of future access to the box for service as necessary. It would also specify what the owner of the box will do ( or has done ) to ensure the box will not create any hazard to the neighbour at any time.

 

[Stoday]

I believe the simpliest solution is for the owner of the box to purchase or rent a wayleave from his neighbour for the box.

You have assumed that the neighbour is happy to look at the box from his garden. What if he just wants the box removed?

 

[bernardgreen]

I believe the simpliest solution is for the owner of the box to purchase or rent a wayleave from his neighbour for the box.

You have assumed that the neighbour is happy to look at the box from his garden. What if he just wants the box removed?

Then the neighbour can ask for it to be removed and if he feels very strongly about it he can use the courts to enforce the action. That is unless there is a clause or covenant in the deeds that allow for items such as the box. But that very seldom happens.

The point that is not being asked is why was it necessary to put something on the outside of the wall when installing a kitchen on the other ( indoor ) side of the wall. If I was the neighbour I would certainly want to know what was in the box.

 

[seasickstevie]

Don't suppose there's a pinhole camera in the box by any chance?

Perhaps the neighbour's hoping for some topless sunbathing!

I'm sure the courts would be interested in that.






Sorry, perhaps it's just my mind working overtime.