Pfizer vaccine report

[ellal]

There are a lot of unfounded conspiracy theories on many things, including vaccines. Such can be very damaging on take up of vaccinations generally, so I believe the wildest of them should to be stamped on quickly. Free speech is good, but only if based on facts. Many people are simply unable to determine genuine facts from lies.

Define 'facts' and then define 'lies'...

When you state that 'the wildest of them should to be stamped on quickly', where do you draw the line and who defines where the line is drawn?

What you are actually saying is that free speech should be curtailed for the 'public good' - but only when you agree with what should be curtailed!

Slippery slope!

 

[Trazor]

Have I claimed that?

I never said you did, it was in the link I posted.

As I have said before, we took a careful and studied look at the MMR before going ahead with it for our kids...

Are you suggesting that these are the actions of 'nutters'?

No, very wise of you

Or are you the person who simply shrugs your shoulders and then says 'alright guv'?

No, I'm the sort of person who thinks that vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives.

Look at the good these vaccines have done, 14 diseases almost eradicated..........https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

 

[durhamplumber]

If you are happy to go along with what you are spoon fed then go for it...

I am Far from it..The MMR was created over twenty years ago..Tech moves on.Just possibly the whole scientific world has made an extra ordinary breakthrough or hit lucky,,,with an “easy” vaccine..I am not sure of the source of your scepticism,,,political bias,lack of science background,,,general running the country down( your norm) or some other angle.Polio has been almost wiped out by vaccine but certain strains are starting to mutate and kill people again.It is not an exact science,mistakes are made,but in general mankind is making fantastic advances in medicine and people like you would have us back in the dark ages,holding off on new treatments until it is too late,

 

[durhamplumber]

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[durhamplumber]

Slippery slope!

The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ok.

Tell us how long term effect monitoring can be speeded up.

 

[ajohn]

The strange things in a vaccine started because the Gates Foundation wondered how to administer a covid vaccine in some countries where it would be hard to keep records. The suggestion was to add a harmless dye. Turns out it might need one green one and one yellow one and another with a bit of ......... on. Gates obviously wanted to track people as well so along came mircochips - this sort of thing is seen in way out films so must be possible.

Bit like 5g spreads covid. Some will believe. I could statistically relate the fact that all of those g's effect peoples brains causing them vote in odd ways and believe odd things. When in real terms it is what is sent along them along with various bits of kit to watch or even just listen. Also the people who provide the info. Clearly this has been going on since radio was invented. We should all wear tin hats and line our houses with foil.

My son had the MMR, curiously he did catch something that looked remarkably like mumps. Badly too, nearly sent to hospital.

 

[sodthisforfun]

You know what? This vaccine can't come quick enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...F7WqXRHhcYCgpjYVYRRGwKhLOE#Echobox=1605450181

 

[durhamplumber]

Ok.

Tell us how long term effect monitoring can be speeded up.

However you try..you cannot condense 10 years into 1.but do the maths...million died in 1 year...economy shafted..Sometimes a risk is needed...Many thought 30mph steam locos would suffocate us..Risk is needed otherwise nothing would get done...no atom split..no moon shots..no heart transplants.no ""test tube"" babys..etc..

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Who on here has had a flu jab ?

Had it mid Oct. After having proper flu, not the man flu type, where my chest was full of fluid and took a month to get back to feeling normal - I couldn't go through that again. Jab every year now.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

How much do people pay for a flu jab ?

Nothing. I just blag it from my GP by saying I'm an oppressed minority or some such excuse. He rolls over as he likes a quiet life.

He's good like that. Three years ago, he said I couldn't have my veins done because they don't do cosmetic procedures on the NHS any more. Bit of a sob story, and before long I was in the local hospital quicker than you can say "varicose radiofrequency ablation".

 

[ReganAndCarter]

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[festive]

Nothing. I just blag it from my GP by saying I'm an oppressed minority or some such excuse. He rolls over as he likes a quiet life.

He's good like that. Three years ago, he said I couldn't have my veins done because they don't do cosmetic procedures on the NHS any more. Bit of a sob story, and before long I was in the local hospital quicker than you can say "varicose radiofrequency ablation".

You're lucky my gym buddy took the route of GH to boost his training went way past me in size but ended up with nasty varicose veins, it took him years to get them sorted and had to pay for one op himself, suffered all sorts since.

 

[durhamplumber]

Bit of a sob story, and before long I was in the local hospital

Yip...
Hell of a lot of it about.My fat cousin wanted a gastro band..too skinny said doc.went off and ate more...Had the op...""Bit of a sob story""..tummy tucked....Muliply by a few million..no wonder the NHS is skint

 

[ReganAndCarter]

You're lucky my gym buddy took the route of GH to boost his training went way past me in size but ended up with nasty varicose veins, it took him years to get them sorted and had to pay for one op himself, suffered all sorts since.

Thanks, but what is GH?