Winter of Discontent (202)2

[motorbiking]

which post ? does it have an edit against it?

 

[JohnD]

You make out that the Tories are responsible for our high inflation.

Is what you said.

And is not true.

 

[motorbiking]

So you are saying they aren't responsible for our high inflation?

 

[JohnD]

You know very well that your claim

You make out that the Tories are responsible for our high inflation.

Is not true.

 

[motorbiking]

I stand by that claim.

You can correct me by giving answer.

 

[JohnD]

I stand by that claim.

It is not true.

I notice you have not been able to find anything to support your false claim.

 

[motorbiking]

Your lack of willingness to answer suggests otherwise.

 

[JohnD]

Here is my answer:

I did not say what you claim i said.

 

[motorbiking]

Did I say you said something or did I say "make out" i.e. assert, imply etc.

Is it your assertion that the Tories are not to blame for our high inflation?

You seem unwilling to answer.

 

[JohnD]

I did not say what you claim I said.

 

[ajohn]

he UK tax payer cannot afford public sector pay increases at more than half inflation. Its possible there is an argument for the lowest paid workers. But they aren't train and tube drivers.

You work in an area where you are in control of what you charge and earn as a result. Your competition only relates to others in the same field. Sometimes numbers increase - eg electricians and as a result there is more competition. In some areas all tend to charge the same and cost may even relate to the area they work in even though the work doesn't. Cash jobs crop up in some area. Good way of avoiding tax. An example. I use a FENSA registered window installer. He will always charge VAT. I am sure I could find one that didn't providing I paid cash. I assume my man does hande the VAT correctly.

Life on PAYE is entirely different. Fact is companies have been giving low yearly increases for rather a long time now maybe even below headline inflation at times. That figure is misleading anyway. They do this because they can. If a union is around things are not so simple for them. Shortages result in salary increases as companies have to bid for workers - eg HGV drivers recently. Unions are perfectly capable of looking at a companies books. Some of the current strikes are due to changes in contracts of employment that sound like a gig economy move. Job losses involved which generally to some extent are accepted with some conditions. I know of companies that like to get rid of some people just prior to Xmas. Wonder why they choose that period?

The NHS - it's loosing people. We've had docs on strike. Why - changes to their contract of employment and they notice that the changes in income were not reflected into their pensions. The change aimed at getting more work out of them? Very probably. GP's well they have had enough. So we want more. One aspect not mentioned is that they will need to be paid. eg Twice as many nurses will cost twice as much.

So state workers get dictated wage increases for years. They will see a drop in their living standards. Salary level is an area that can attract or push people away.

Interesting comments about the min wage. Some pay a living min wage but not many.

Minimum wage rise will offset hit from inflation, but not much else

The upcoming rise in the national living wage will put some further upward pressure on firms’ costs over the next year and, combined with labour shortages, could feed into concerns about rapid wage growth pushing up inflation.

www.rsmuk.com

People on short hours - mutterings that they will have to do more. Ok if they can find it - maybe.

CPI is often used for inflation. There is another one that could be used but in some areas the numbers are meaningless. Food for instance generally goes up by more each year. More people are in rent poverty especially under 30's. To high a % spent on rent. Similar may well be going on with people with mortgages. Numbers in poverty levels increase.

TBH I can only see things getting worse,

 

[motorbiking]

You make assumptions about my pay and work which aren't correct. I spent most of my working life on PAYE. I tend to choose short periods of employment now as it suits me. When I work, it is highly competitive, if I don't like the gig, I find another, if they don't like me, they find another. I have no union, no protection from unfair dismissal. I'm a dyslexic who chose a career in a world of words and intellect, where things have precise meaning, ideas have value. I was told at school to get a job with my hands (cook, builder etc). I ignored the advice. I have adapted, found ways to overcome things. I'm no different to the next guy. I have to work hard, compete etc. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I do not seek to collaborate with people with skills like mine to control the supply. I do not seek to control the market. I do not seek to remove competition or innovation.

The poorest workers out there need some help to get through this current problem. That is not train drivers or tube drivers on significantly more than the avg wage. If there is a queue of people capable of doing the job, do not expect to get a big pay rise. If you don't like it, get a job where there isn't a queue of people.

 

[transam]

Based on what info ?

Common sense

Jeez us train driving

No traffic
No steering
No pedestrians

All
They have to do is start and stop
Toot there horn
And observe a speed limit
Don’t have ti deal with people
Public / train users
About it really

Hardly rocket science although listening to the union and you it is

Load of baloney

 

[ajohn]

Hardly rocket science although listening to the union and you it is

How come they got to earn so much in the first place? Oh by the way the strike isn't just about train drivers - or just wages actually,

 

[transam]

How come they got to earn so much in the first place? Oh by the way the strike isn't just about train drivers - or just wages actually,

How come

Dunno you tell
Me

I have no problem in how much they earn

Probably deliberately turned a reasonably simplistic job into some thing akin to flying a 747 ??

Happens in many types of job

Cleaners become hygiene specialists

Window cleaners become vision technicians

Plumbers become combustion engineers

Than there are the Human Resources managers

We work in a hotel / restaurant they don’t employ waiters they are all assistant managers

Serve burgers in macs and you are a team member or team leader

Train driver hmmmm big deal

It’s so complicated you can get driverless trains / shuttles now