Winter of Discontent (202)2

[Justin Passing]

How come they got to earn so much in the first place?

Perfectly obvious - leverage. They do a job which is missed when they don't. Governments cave in.
No wonder so many of the verbal-diarhetorical ramblings don't make sense if you haven't grasped that.

They want money and power. They're telling the management how to run things, and want their status boosted. Not a hard job, ripe for machines to do it better.

 

[Notch7]

That is not train drivers or tube drivers on significantly more than the avg wage

“Train drivers pay”

Only a tiny minoriry of those on strike are train drivers, trying to make out that’s who is on strike is a deliberate ploy to mislead.

only ASLEF are train drivers

the strikes are mostly: RMT, nurses, Royal Mail etc.

 

[Notch7]

Perfectly obvious - leverage. They do a job which is missed when they don't. Governments cave in.
No wonder so many of the verbal-diarhetorical ramblings don't make sense if you haven't grasped that.

They want money and power. They're telling the management how to run things, and want their status boosted. Not a hard job, ripe for machines to do it better.

It’s funny how there are so many experts around on train driving.

 

[fillyboy]

“Train drivers pay”

Only a tiny minoriry of those on strike are train drivers, trying to make out that’s who is on strike is a deliberate ploy to mislead.

only ASLEF are train drivers

the strikes are mostly: RMT, nurses, Royal Mail etc.

Ah, December the 11th, my ban has been lifted.

OK, if only ASLEF are train drivers, and they're not on strike, and the RMT doesn't include train drivers (and let's not forget that the hard left on here stated many months ago that train drivers would NOT go on strike), why the **** are the trains not running?, and why the **** are train drivers taking planned leave of absence over the Xmas holiday period, it's a strike isn't it?

60-70k a year, offered an 8% increase and turn it down, refuse to ballot their own membership on acceptance of an offer and refuse to give up 'spanish practises' on work matters,

**** me let's give them a 100k a year, jobs for life and a pension even better than teachers and NHS staff.

Actually, they're pretty close to that anyway.

 

[Justin Passing]

It’s funny how there are so many experts around on train driving.

THEY don't think it's particularly hard. See post 173. The linked thread gives a picture. Certainly doesn't need the nous or training investment of a degree - unlike say a nurse.

 

[motorbiking]

Or the £100k of debt a pilot gets, for his training.

 

[IT Minion]

The union's have been resisting driver only operation for at least a decade. They say it's a safety issue, but they probably also object to the job cuts as well.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It's beginning to sound like it's only the train drivers going on strike

 

[transam]

Loads of self employed blokes in the construction industry are on mininimum wage

When you take into consideration
The time they put into the job

Paper work
Chasing bad debts
Estimates
Un paid tax collectors
Dealing with customers
And all the legal responsibilities that go with it

7 day week / 16 hour days

Trains drivers huh **** em

 

[IT Minion]

Loads of self employed blokes in the construction industry are on mininimum wage

When you take into consideration
The time they put into the job

Paper work
Chasing bad debts
Estimates
Un paid tax collectors
Dealing with customers
And all the legal responsibilities that go with it

7 day week / 16 hour days

Trains drivers huh **** em

Ah, the politics of envy.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Loads of self employed blokes in the construction industry are on mininimum wage

When you take into consideration
The time they put into the job

Paper work
Chasing bad debts
Estimates
Un paid tax collectors
Dealing with customers
And all the legal responsibilities that go with it

7 day week / 16 hour days

Trains drivers huh **** em

There appears to be a very simple answer.

Go and retrain and get a better job

 

[Justin Passing]

There appears to be a very simple answer.

Go and retrain and get a better job

Hmmm
We do need the people doing those jobs - joiners, plumbers, sparkies, which are relatively low-skilled (cue the storm). What would they do if they went off and got degrees - which a lot of them couldn't hack anyway?
Those trades used to be Okay - they could afford a mortgage and morris minor and coal for the grate. My parents' generation. Rose tinted specs? I dunno - I don't remember food handouts.
Even though our minimum wage + benefits is quite healthy for Europe compared with the costs of living, we're told they're in poverty. Is that actually true or do they just expect to have everything?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Same as

Hmmm
We do need the people doing those jobs - joiners, plumbers, sparkies, which are relatively low-skilled (cue the storm). What would they do if they went off and got degrees - which a lot of them couldn't hack anyway?
Those trades used to be Okay - they could afford a mortgage and morris minor and coal for the grate. My parents' generation. Rose tinted specs? I dunno - I don't remember food handouts.
Even though our minimum wage + benefits is quite healthy for Europe compared with the costs of living, we're told they're in poverty. Is that actually true or do they just expect to have everything?

Same as my earlier point.

Everybody in employment deserves enough to live on, without the need for benefits. Benefits is a seperate issue and I have no reason for them not to exist.

Even minimum wage should be enough to be lived on, or it isn't high enough, in relation to the cost of living. A higher wage in itself is pointless if costs go up accordingly. There needs to be a better balance between higher and lower incomes overall, not saying higher incomes shouldn't exist.

 

[ajohn]

The union's have been resisting driver only operation for at least a decade. They say it's a safety issue, but they probably also object to the job cuts as well.

It's interesting that some can't see the broader picture of what it's all about. Also that a train drivers income just keeps increasing to well over what it actually is. That aspect reminds me of a Leyland line workers income that was bandied around years ago. Exaggerated is too weak a word. This sort of thing is common in similar circumstances.

The FT reckons that the last national train drivers strike was 27 years ago

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj2rMz-tPH7AhUCRkEAHaRzBNwQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F4203c6db-0c98-44c4-9a91-acfa227c313a&usg=AOvVaw3tVbsk864BYI79AtQshVq2

I don't subscribe hence link via google. Link for some one who goes infantile now and again.

It's pretty clear that some don't know what the gov want also that unions request increases that they are unlikely to get.

They also aren't aware that the number of companies who run rail causes some problems in this area and that some deals have been settled in some areas.

 

[transam]

There appears to be a very simple answer.

Go and retrain and get a better job

But I am not the one complaining
Just stating a fact

Doubt you work for your self

9 to 5 bloke are you 5 day a week ?