Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[Odds]

These guys are not Christians.
They're a sect pretending to be righteous in order to squeeze money out of their prey

They seem to think they are God's warriors, and their influence grows exponentially with their proximity to power. I've posted about these organisations before and their insidious influence has grown stronger since Trump hooked up to ride their wild horses far and wide.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

“The UK Supreme Court rules that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex”

Everything else is just nonsense…

 

[motorbiking]

Even Starmer has accepted it.

 

[johnny2007]

They seem to think they are God's warriors, and their influence grows exponentially with their proximity to power. I've posted about these organisations before and their insidious influence has grown stronger since Trump hooked up to ride their wild horses far and wide.

Nutters with money as their God.
By preaching all the time they think everyone would identify them as righteous and just.
Unfortunately for them, some people can get past their bullshyt and see what's all about.
This is just one of hundreds of businesses masqueraded as religious organisations.

 

[blup]

We do not live in a theocracy. Religious beliefs should not be an exemption from ANYTHING. EVER.

Well we do by your own argument as freedom of religious belief is a cornerstone of human rights.

 

[denso13]

Treatment and management options may include:• growth monitoring (routine measurements to detect abnormal growth)• hormone treatment (replacing missing hormones with man-made versions)• further investigations (including genetics)• fertility planning (understanding future fertility options and different ways to have a family, if desired)• surgery

Yes, any possible treatments will be discussed with the parents beforehand, if an actual condition is identified.

That's a far cry from,

to result in a baby which then passes all the tests required for it to be whatever sex they decided it should be made into?

 

[Lower]

I think transgender men lift up the seat before ****ing so they are quite acceptable in womens circles.

Probably. I was thinking more along the lines of if there is a general movement towards mixed sex toilets as a result of this ruling. Women would still suffer if men use the same toilets due to their generally poor aim.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

If this is the sign on the door:

Amazon.co.uk

Then anyone wearing a dress can use that space. Simple.

 

[Highway Man]

If this is the sign on the door:
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Amazon.co.uk

Then anyone wearing a dress can use that space. Simple.

It is a representation of a man and a woman, simply wearing a dress doesnt mean that you are a woman.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

It was a bit of sarcasm, but by your reasoning, "simply not wearing a dress doesnt mean that you are not a woman".
Wearing a dress is a representation of a woman, and therefore meets the criteria indicated on the door.
Does it also mean that someone wearing a kilt is not allowed into the other space?

 

[MNW67]

Probably. I was thinking more along the lines of if there is a general movement towards mixed sex toilets as a result of this ruling. Women would still suffer if men use the same toilets due to their generally poor aim.

The discrimination barrister on Politics Live, who seems to be the top person in this field, said that is where the businesses they have spoken with are going, following the ruling. Simply because it makes life easy for them. It's not what most people want, but it means businesses will at least be compliant with the law and will avoid getting sued.

What is the situation with trans men. Do they now have to use womens spaces.

 

[securespark]

normal people?

I have to say that I take massive issue with this.

WTF is normal?

I hate that word! Like I hate the word nice...

I hate it anyway, but even more so because I have been asked all my life, mostly by kids but sometimes by ill-informed and insensitive adults too:

"Why can't you be (more) normal?"

I have CP (due to asphyxiation at birth) and since I was a kid, children and adults have laughed at me in the street and called me the S word, mocking me by talking in a strange voice, even though I don't, and grossly exaggerating my limp. Yes, you might say, you were born in the 60s and grew up in the 70s - things were different then. But these events, though less frequent, still happen. The only difference these days is, I talk back.

i believe everyone is different, everyone is unique.

Even if you are only talking about sexuality, it's not just about gay or straight.

To me, there is no such thing as normal.

 

[Koolpc]

I have to say that I take massive issue with this.

WTF is normal?

I hate that word! Like I hate the word nice...

I hate it anyway, but even more so because I have been asked all my life, mostly by kids but sometimes by ill-informed and insensitive adults too:

"Why can't you be (more) normal?"

I have CP (due to asphyxiation at birth) and since I was a kid, children and adults have laughed at me in the street and called me the S word, mocking me by talking in a strange voice, even though I don't, and grossly exaggerating my limp. Yes, you might say, you were born in the 60s and grew up in the 70s - things were different then. But these events, though less frequent, still happen. The only difference these days is, I talk back.

i believe everyone is different, everyone is unique.

Even if you are only talking about sexuality, it's not just about gay or straight.

To me, there is no such thing as normal.

Normal as in, man and woman as that is what this thread is about. Its not about disabilities!!

 

[Deleted member 323070]

The problem with what is normal, and what isn't varies with time.
At one time, homosuality was considered not normal, and homophobia was acceptable, even desirable.
At one time, it was normal for the male to work, and the female to stay at home to do the housework.
At one time racism was acceptable, now it isn't.
At one time smoking was accepted, now it isn't.
At one time using coal for warmth in the home was normal, now it's not allowed.
At one time cat-calling, wolf-whistling was not only acceptable, it was funny, now it isn't.
At one time it was normal to start work at 15/13/12 or whatever, now it's probably illegal.
At one time it was not normal for women to meet in the pub, now it's normal.
At one time one was expected to doff one's cap to our betters, now no-one gives it a thought.
At one time smacking was normal, now in some places it's illegal.

I suppose others could provide more examples.

 

[motorbiking]

The discrimination barrister on Politics Live, who seems to be the top person in this field, said that is where the businesses they have spoken with are going, following the ruling. Simply because it makes life easy for them. It's not what most people want, but it means businesses will at least be compliant with the law and will avoid getting sued.

What is the situation with trans men. Do they now have to use womens spaces.

It wasn't Robin Moira White was it? There is a legal requirement to provide separate facilities for employees. I think the last government also amended building regs. to stop gender natural toilets.

Have the right toilets and washing facilities - HSE

Employers must provide adequate toilets and wash facilities for those expected to use them. You must always consider the needs of those with disabilities.

www.hse.gov.uk