Get a room you two...

[blightymam]

Can you find one single post where I have defended racism?

Still waiting. Proof please, not just your imagination running riot.

I can't find one post where you criticised racism or the racist, despite your claim to despise racism.
I can find loads and loads of your posts criticising those who criticise and object to racism and/or racists.

So despite your claim to object to racism, you vehemently refuse to agree with my sentiments.
Instead you launch a tirade of abuse because, according to you, you disagree with my methods.

Your claim to object to racism, of which I can find no evidence, has achieved what? zilch, nada, rien.
So, I assume your method is to quietly acquiesce to racism and racists.
Your method appears to be ignore it and hope it goes away. Meanwhile it's obvious that the racists here exploit your silent acquiescence to post further racist comments and misinterpreted news articles. You silently acquiesce to those posts.
While you stand idly by, sorry, you don't stand idly by, you ignore the racist comments and attack those that object to racism.

I can find absolutely no evidence for you objecting or despising racism. Quite the reverse, I can find loads of evidence that you appear to prefer the racist comments rather than the critical objections to it.
I can find specific evidence of you launching a tirade of abuse at me because I objected to a racist post.

So that's a no then. You can't find any evidence where I defended racism.
Well done Himmy. You've done it again, made a prick out of yourself by letting your imagination run wild and convincing yourself of something that isn't there.

 

[Himaginn]

Can you find one single post where I have defended racism?

Still waiting. Proof please, not just your imagination running riot.

I can't find one post where you criticised racism or the racist, despite your claim to despise racism.
I can find loads and loads of your posts criticising those who criticise and object to racism and/or racists.

So despite your claim to object to racism, you vehemently refuse to agree with my sentiments.
Instead you launch a tirade of abuse because, according to you, you disagree with my methods.

Your claim to object to racism, of which I can find no evidence, has achieved what? zilch, nada, rien.
So, I assume your method is to quietly acquiesce to racism and racists.
Your method appears to be ignore it and hope it goes away. Meanwhile it's obvious that the racists here exploit your silent acquiescence to post further racist comments and misinterpreted news articles. You silently acquiesce to those posts.
While you stand idly by, sorry, you don't stand idly by, you ignore the racist comments and attack those that object to racism.

I can find absolutely no evidence for you objecting or despising racism. Quite the reverse, I can find loads of evidence that you appear to prefer the racist comments rather than the critical objections to it.
I can find specific evidence of you launching a tirade of abuse at me because I objected to a racist post.

So that's a no then. You can't find any evidence where I defended racism.
Well done Himmy. You've done it again, made a prick out of yourself by letting your imagination run wild and convincing yourself of something that isn't there.

What happened to your frequent use of the copulatory expletive?
Did anyone ever tell you that the over-utilization of that sort of language is the hallmark of limited vocabulary and stunted intelligence?

 

[blightymam]

I can find specific evidence of you launching a tirade of abuse at me because I objected to a racist post.

You never did get it did you? It was you, the way you are with people and how you belittle and alienate them while still trying to change their views. My dislike was over you, how you handled them and I have told you this again and again. As Gerry put it better, views didn't come into it, it was an 'ad hominem' response to you. (Thanks Gerry).

I do not have to join in with you and attack those who's views on racism I do not like. I have spoken about it a few times but there's points as to why I do not go on and on like you. The first is that people are entitled to voice their view, and if done in a more balanced manner (such as disliking parts of the Koran), then they are doing no wrong. You thought they did. Then there is the fact that if people are truly racist at heart, there would be nothing I, a person on a DIY forum would ever be able to do about it, same goes to you. You will never change the views by ranting and name calling someone who truly is racist to the core. Why? Because you and I are strangers, we carry no weight. They do not respect the views of a stranger because it has not been earned and neither should they. So why would they listen to someone they have no respect for?
And the last point is that not everything written here, despite you claiming it to be, is racist. You are too quick at calling people racists, which I know as I have experienced it myself, and you do not seem to understand what a real racist person is.

So no, I do not have to and will not measure myself against you and your radical views on what it is to be a racist in order to sound that I am not racist to you.

You've a lot of growing up to do quite frankly.

 

[blightymam]

What happened to your frequent use of the copulatory expletive?
Did anyone ever tell you that the over-utilization of that sort of language is the hallmark of limited vocabulary and stunted intelligence?

Told you before, it is because of the way you are with people is why I treat you the same.
And I would say that you have stunted intelligence because you still cannot find any support to your claim of being racist despite calling me so. So instead you change tack and go back onto my swearing at you. Well done again Himmy.

 

[blightymam]

I'd like to ask you one more question if I may.
Have you, with your methods of ranting and alienating by name calling, changed a single view on here?

 

[Himaginn]

As Gerry put it better, views didn't come into it, it was an 'ad hominem' response to you.

Precisely. It was, in your admission, an ad hominem attack against me because you disagree with me objecting to racism.
But your justification for your ad hominem attack against me is because of my apparent ad hominem attack against racists.
So how can mine be wrong and yours be right?
What's more, my comments are backed by reasoned argument, morality and social decency.
Yours are backed by..........ah, that's it, four-letter abusive expletives.

See the difference?

I do not have to join in with you and attack those who's views on racism I do not like.

Sure, but to be so abusive towards someone, who's view you claim to share, seems a little perverse.

I have spoken about it a few times

You've spoken about it many times, but never objected to it or criticised a perpetrator.
Indeed, quite the opposite, you are abusive towards those that do object or criticise the racism or the perpetrators.

but there's points as to why I do not go on and on like you.

Quite.
You prefer to go on and on, abusing those that object to racism or criticise the racists.
Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

The first is that people are entitled to voice their view,

Me included?
Or do you object to me having a view?
Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

and if done in a more balanced manner

like what you do?

You thought they did.

And am I entitled to my opinion? Without four-letter abusive expletives?

Then there is the fact that if people are truly racist at heart, there would be nothing I, a person on a DIY forum would ever be able to do about it, same goes to you.

I disagree.
Although you think that we cannot or should not object to racism on social media, it's quite acceptable to be abusive towards those that do object to racism?
Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

You will never change the views by ranting and name calling

But evidently you are enthusiastically trying to change my mind by four-letter abusive expletives and insults.
Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

They do not respect the views of a stranger because it has not been earned and neither should they. So why would they listen to someone they have no respect for?

Then why the tirade of abuse? You've just pointed out how pointless it is.
Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

you do not seem to understand what a real racist person is.

What in your opinion is a real racist?

So no, I do not have to and will not measure myself against you and your radical views on racist in order to sound that I am not racist to you.

But you wouldn't deny that:

“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

Mahatma Gandhi

 

[EFLImpudence]

Your words become your actions,

If your words are misdefined it can lead to all sorts of nonsense.

You truly believe that the scientific organisations and UN 'invented' the term to stifle discussion?

Yes.
They do it all the time.
It's called an agenda or propaganda.


What, then, is "Cultural Racism"?

If I refuse to employ a black person solely because he is black, that is racism.
If I refuse to employ the same black person because he is muslim (because of a refusal to handle pork or having to have an area to pray several times a day) that is not racism. It could be called "culturism" but they have decided to call it "cultural racism" which links it to the serious offence of racism rather than unable to do the job.

Why would that be?

 

[blightymam]

I'd like to ask you one more question if I may.
Have you, with your methods of ranting and alienating by name calling, changed a single view on here?

No answer again Himmy? Very good at avoiding difficult questions aren't ya?
Bit like being very good at not proving proof.

Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

Why does a difference of opinion have to be perverse? You have a strange way with words and always condescending. I wonder why nobody takes you seriously?! Ha ha.

 

[blightymam]

As Gerry put it better, views didn't come into it, it was an 'ad hominem' response to you.

Precisely. It was, in your admission, an ad hominem attack against me because you disagree with me objecting to racism.
But your justification for your ad hominem attack against me is because of my apparent ad hominem attack against racists.

You're very good at twisting meanings. My response to you yesterday over your nasty points to Gerry did not mean I was supporting either you or Gerry's view (which you came to conclusion that I supported both of you on different occasions) and you called me a racist on the back of it. No, my attack on you was nothing to do with racism. Ad hominem attack on you, meaning it was about you as a person, not the content of the discussion you were having.

Yes I attacked your personality, kept saying I did and the reasons why! Not sure why you want to sound all precious about it again - I've owned up to it since the beginning so your posts on this are hardly a revelation.

The reason why, yet again I say this, I did it was because you were doing the same to others and have been doing it since you joined. You don't like it at all, fair enough, but why do you think it was ok for you to do it to others and not me to you? As I said before, don't dish it out unless you can take it back. You dished it out long long before I started doing it to you, you've been nasty from the word go.

Put it this way, if a bully in the playground starts being nasty to a kid and then someone else, another kid starts doing it to the bully, then normally the bully will start thinking about it's behaviour because they realise that actually, it's not nice being treated the way they've treated others. You are that bully and yet you do not, or more likely do not want to see the connection because it means admitting your flaws and that takes a bigger person. Until the penny finally drops in that thick, nasty, belittling, condescending bully-boy brain of yours I will carry on treating you the same as you treat others, with utter contempt and you can cry all you like. To treat people with respect means you get respect back and it has nothing to do with their beliefs on race - that is not the point I was making, never was. It was you who bought racism into it and never stopped despite it being incorrect. You didn't understand something therefore it made me a racist, class act Himmy.

 

[blightymam]

What's more, my comments are backed by reasoned argument, morality and social decency.

That's the funniest thing I have ever seen you write! Proper funny!
So you do have a sense of humour after all!

 

[securespark]

Get a room you two...

I thought this thread was going to be about Clinton & Trump!

 

[HawkEye244]

Every one is a racist. You may not think that you are but you are.. The only time that humans will stop being racist is when they learn or unlearn how to differentiate between differing items, sounds, colours or smells

I'll respond to your sensible and worthwhile comment.
Just because we have animal instincts doesn't mean that we have to allow them free rein.
We don't wander through the sweet shop helping ourselves to the goodies.
We have social skills that restrain our natural instincts.

So you personally are going to correct every single injustice in the world starting with diyforum general section.

Perhaps I may use a quote from BBC news, admittedly out of context, but appropriate, IMO none the less.

"One great obstacle to improvement (in society) is the progressive tendency to look away from awkward truths: to prefer their moral vanity over better outcomes for others; and to expend energy on policing 'incorrect' commentary rather than championing needed reforms."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36983146
It was a statement given in defence of the Australian cartoon.
It was a clever statement to argue that the cartoon highlighted racial issues rather than racist stereotyping.

Now you could argue that I'm "expending energy on policing 'incorrect' commentary" instead of "championing needed reforms".
I think the reduction of racist comments, racists incidents, and racial hatred is a "needed reform"

There are some injustices that I can object to, and perhaps help to combat. There are so many that I am not able to exert any influence.
Racism is a dangerous and disruptive force in society. Some social media assists in spreading the immoral messages.
It could, if it desired, help to eradicate immoral and dangerous gossip, by disallowing the racist comments, and still allow discussion.
Sadly DIYnot allows racists to spread their malignant message through the GD forum.
It heightens racial tension and incites hatred. It reduces the security of individuals, instead of improving society.
You could argue it even allows for the formation of like-minded groups, like BNP. By not disallowing racist comments it provides a medium for the divisive messages of racists.
That is a real and present danger.
Racism and the spreading of racist propaganda fuels terrorism, not combating it.

 

[Himaginn]

If your words are misdefined it can lead to all sorts of nonsense.

A bit pathetic even by your standards.
If your actions are misrepresented it can lead to all sorts of nonsense.
If your habits are misinterpreted .....
If your values...etc.
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You truly believe that the scientific organisations and UN 'invented' the term to stifle discussion?

Yes.
They do it all the time.
It's called an agenda or propaganda.

So now you claim they have an agenda because you deny that the concept exists?
Are you for real?
It'll be conspiracy theories soon.

On the other hand, you can't dismiss their (UN, Scientific organisations, Governments) definitions because an anonymous fellow (who refuses to explain his credentials) on social media suggests they've changed the meaning of words, and therefore the concept is void.
You are presenting illogical reasons to deny the concept of cultural racism.

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What, then, is "Cultural Racism"?

If I refuse to employ a black person solely because he is black, that is racism.
If I refuse to employ the same black person because he is muslim (because of a refusal to handle pork or having to have an area to pray several times a day) that is not racism. It could be called "culturism" but they have decided to call it "cultural racism" which links it to the serious offence of racism rather than unable to do the job.

Why would that be?

Are you asking a question and then answering it for yourself to prove a point?
If you refuse to employ a Muslim because handling pork is a necessary part of the job and the Muslim refuses to accept that part, it's a legitimate reason not to employ them.
If I belong to a sect called 'adventurism' and my belief forbids me from working indoors. It's perfectly legitimate for someone to refuse to employ me because I insist on working out doors.

If you refuse to employ a black Muslim purely on the basis of suspecting that Muslims are workshy, or whatever, then it's racism.
It could be defined as cultural racism irrespective if the person was white or black or yellow.
But there is no such offence of cultural racism, and you would be prosecuted for racism, whether it be biological or cultural racism.

Similarly, there is no offence of having an off-side headlight not working. It's simply a headlight not working, whether it's off-side or near-side.
Similarly, there is no such offence as murder by strangulation, or murder for jealousy, there is a simple catch-all of murder, whatever the means or motivation

 

[Himaginn]

I'd like to ask you one more question if I may.
Have you, with your methods of ranting and alienating by name calling, changed a single view on here?

No answer again Himmy? Very good at avoiding difficult questions aren't ya?
Bit like being very good at not proving proof.

You think I have the monopoly on 'not being courteous' on this forum?
Your excuse for being so abusive towards me is becoming scarily thinner and thinner.
In fact it's so thin it's transparent.
You prefer to be abusive towards someone who objects to racism, instead of objecting to racism.
And your excuse is that you think I'm not sufficiently courteous towards racists, or those that intentionally misrepresent news articles to incite racial hatred.
You're having a laugh.
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Do you not see the perverseness of your argument?

Why does a difference of opinion have to be perverse?

When it's represented as such a perverse argument.
You no doubt think that it's funny to accuse someone of sexual perversion, oh wait
You actually liked that one of foxys:

Get the Kleenex out Himaginn, you are really getting over exited... Don't get it all over your keyboard.

No doubt you think it's good to spout abuse at other posters, oh wait, you thanked sooey for his abusive post

@ blightymam
He's not worth the effort or the time kid, why argue with an unbalanced dhead?

When you claim to object to me for being insufficiently courteous to other posters, you actually like and thank other posters for being abusive.

You're a hypocrite, and I'm beginning to suspect that you are a closet racist, i.e. a racist who claims not to be one. That is the real reason for your four-letter expletive, abusive and insulting posts.
Otherwise why the pathetically thin and lame excuses, and perverse arguments for being so abusive to me for objecting to racism?
You may argue, and argue and argue, but your actions are the reflection of your values:

“Lips and tongues lie. But actions never do. No matter what words are spoken, actions betray the truth of everyone's heart."

Sherrilyn Kenyon

 

[Himaginn]

As Gerry put it better, views didn't come into it, it was an 'ad hominem' response to you.

Precisely. It was, in your admission, an ad hominem attack against me because you disagree with me objecting to racism.
But your justification for your ad hominem attack against me is because of my apparent ad hominem attack against racists.

You're very good at twisting meanings. My response to you yesterday over your nasty points to Gerry did not mean I was supporting either you or Gerry's view (which you came to conclusion that I supported both of you on different occasions) and you called me a racist on the back of it. No, my attack on you was nothing to do with racism. Ad hominem attack on you, meaning it was about you as a person, not the content of the discussion you were having.

Yes I attacked your personality, kept saying I did and the reasons why! Not sure why you want to sound all precious about it again - I've owned up to it since the beginning so your posts on this are hardly a revelation.

The reason why, yet again I say this, I did it was because you were doing the same to others and have been doing it since you joined. You don't like it at all, fair enough, but why do you think it was ok for you to do it to others and not me to you? As I said before, don't dish it out unless you can take it back. You dished it out long long before I started doing it to you, you've been nasty from the word go.

Put it this way, if a bully in the playground starts being nasty to a kid and then someone else, another kid starts doing it to the bully, then normally the bully will start thinking about it's behaviour because they realise that actually, it's not nice being treated the way they've treated others. You are that bully and yet you do not, or more likely do not want to see the connection because it means admitting your flaws and that takes a bigger person. Until the penny finally drops in that thick, nasty, belittling, condescending bully-boy brain of yours I will carry on treating you the same as you treat others, with utter contempt and you can cry all you like. To treat people with respect means you get respect back and it has nothing to do with their beliefs on race - that is not the point I was making, never was. It was you who bought racism into it and never stopped despite it being incorrect. You didn't understand something therefore it made me a racist, class act Himmy.

Fine, you continue to be abusive towards me and I'll continue to object to racism.
Your comments will be pointless, futile and negative.
I'll also continue to assume that you're a hypocrite and your real reason for being abusive is because you're a closet racist.
You'll excuse me if I don't respond to your abuse. It'll be my choice. It's not obligatory to respond to abuse, it's optional.
Your actions will confirm your real values.