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And access to the single market, you make it out as if there is no benefit.
Honour our commitments on leaving the EU ? Sod off...
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And access to the single market, you make it out as if there is no benefit.
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My plan ????
the commons had a vote on it , they were ordered to by the high court. They had the oppurtunity to vote the referendum vote down
they did not .
pleased that the Uk voted out of the EU .Yes
What a shame the government doesn't know what it wants to do, and is incapable of deciding.
"Yet for all this activity, almost no progress has been made towards deciding the form that Brexit should take. That is largely because the government is ambiguous over what it wants. Even issues that seemed settled in the Lancaster House speech have resurfaced since Mrs May lost her slim parliamentary majority in a snap election she called for June 8th."
https://www.economist.com/news/brit...orwegian-turkish-there-no-la-carte-option-six
And the citizens don't know either, because what they were told they would get is not among the available options
"Why is there so much confusion? One answer is simply that extracting Britain from a 44-year marriage is horrendously complex. But the deeper point is that voters were never told the truth about the trade-offs inherent in Mrs May’s version of Brexit.
Brexiteers promised that, in the words of Boris Johnson, now the foreign secretary, Britain could have its cake and eat it. It would be possible, they claimed, to escape EU regulation and the ECJ, leave the single market, walk away from the customs union and save £350m ($450m) a week in budget contributions—while still retaining the benefits of being an integral part of the world’s biggest trade block."
but of course you knew that.
"Yet for all this activity, almost no progress has been made towards deciding the form that Brexit should take. That is largely because the government is ambiguous over what it wants. Even issues that seemed settled in the Lancaster House speech have resurfaced since Mrs May lost her slim parliamentary majority in a snap election she called for June 8th."
https://www.economist.com/news/brit...orwegian-turkish-there-no-la-carte-option-six
And the citizens don't know either, because what they were told they would get is not among the available options
"Why is there so much confusion? One answer is simply that extracting Britain from a 44-year marriage is horrendously complex. But the deeper point is that voters were never told the truth about the trade-offs inherent in Mrs May’s version of Brexit.
Brexiteers promised that, in the words of Boris Johnson, now the foreign secretary, Britain could have its cake and eat it. It would be possible, they claimed, to escape EU regulation and the ECJ, leave the single market, walk away from the customs union and save £350m ($450m) a week in budget contributions—while still retaining the benefits of being an integral part of the world’s biggest trade block."
but of course you knew that.
Some people suggest poor David Davis is on the edge of a breakdown, when he is forced to confront reality.
"Tuesday 17 October 2017 16.51
"Same time, same place, same speech. The humiliation is now almost complete. Five times David Davis has come back to the Commons to report on the progress of his talks with Michel Barnier, and on each occasion the Brexit secretary has had little to say. In the early days, he used to claim that the lack of progress was a sign of how much progress had been made, but now he has lost the will to even bluster. The former SAS man has barely got the strength to fight his way out of a paper bag.
Throughout his five-minute statement, Davis could barely bring himself to raise his eyes towards the opposition benches. The contempt he could have taken. But it was the pity that got him every time. Some important steps had been made, he said in a barely audible mumble. He couldn’t say exactly what they were but they had been made. The negotiations were being conducted in a good spirit. As in, no one had actually walked out yet. But he was reaching the limits of what was possible.
Realising Davis was on the verge of mental and physical disintegration, the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, chose his words carefully. He didn’t want to finish Davis off for good, but neither could he afford to let him off the hook entirely. Rather, he acted as a therapist. He understood Davis’s pain but he had to be aware that it was he who had agreed to the sequencing of the talks so he could hardly blame the EU for sticking to it. If we weren’t ready to negotiate, why had we triggered article 50?
At this point, Davis looked like he might burst into tears. Starmer backtracked a little. Maybe he had been overdoing the tough love. Yes, there had been some acceleration since the prime minister’s Florence speech. From 2mph to 4mph. And that was to be applauded. It really was. But now was the time to aim just a little higher. Maybe go all out and see if he could creep up to 6mph. And while he was about it, could he drop the fantasy that no deal was better than a bad deal?"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...id-davis-runs-out-of-bluster?CMP=share_btn_fb
"Tuesday 17 October 2017 16.51
"Same time, same place, same speech. The humiliation is now almost complete. Five times David Davis has come back to the Commons to report on the progress of his talks with Michel Barnier, and on each occasion the Brexit secretary has had little to say. In the early days, he used to claim that the lack of progress was a sign of how much progress had been made, but now he has lost the will to even bluster. The former SAS man has barely got the strength to fight his way out of a paper bag.
Throughout his five-minute statement, Davis could barely bring himself to raise his eyes towards the opposition benches. The contempt he could have taken. But it was the pity that got him every time. Some important steps had been made, he said in a barely audible mumble. He couldn’t say exactly what they were but they had been made. The negotiations were being conducted in a good spirit. As in, no one had actually walked out yet. But he was reaching the limits of what was possible.
Realising Davis was on the verge of mental and physical disintegration, the shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, chose his words carefully. He didn’t want to finish Davis off for good, but neither could he afford to let him off the hook entirely. Rather, he acted as a therapist. He understood Davis’s pain but he had to be aware that it was he who had agreed to the sequencing of the talks so he could hardly blame the EU for sticking to it. If we weren’t ready to negotiate, why had we triggered article 50?
At this point, Davis looked like he might burst into tears. Starmer backtracked a little. Maybe he had been overdoing the tough love. Yes, there had been some acceleration since the prime minister’s Florence speech. From 2mph to 4mph. And that was to be applauded. It really was. But now was the time to aim just a little higher. Maybe go all out and see if he could creep up to 6mph. And while he was about it, could he drop the fantasy that no deal was better than a bad deal?"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...id-davis-runs-out-of-bluster?CMP=share_btn_fb
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I was not interested tbh . my vote was always going to be "out"did I think the UK would vote out . no tbh .
but there u go . Its called democracy. The fact that some who voted out of the EU now have 2nd thoughts or regret there decision.
Tough imho.
The EU will fall apart it is just a question of time. Spain have serious issues which the EU should be more concerned about .
It would appear that Malta is as corrupt as a nine bob note , run by gangsters & mafia type's .
Austria have a new PM who will probably be doing a deal with the freedom far right party
Germany have seen the rise of a far right party
Poland are on a collision course with the EU courts
Hungary have issues
Macron is on a collision course with the trade unions as he attempts to do a thatcher on labour laws & reform the welfare state
etc etc
If this country has got finacial commitments to the EU then they should be met because that is the decent and correct thing to do ? does not mean to say that we have to bend over & lube up.
Fair is fair .
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At least be fair JD and look at those tabloids from the opposing political spectrum. Bound to be some cheery Quitter news there....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
Anyone got any positive news....anyone.......?
Anyone got any positive news....anyone.......?
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I fail to understand what the Brexiteers are afraid of in having another referendum when the 'deal' is out in the open. At least it would be a referendum on level playing field with open and honest explanation.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rexit-or-face-long-term-decline-oecd-warns-uk
Even the right-wing press is moaning about brexit... they must want to be on the winning side
A high price for Germany:
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble of Chancellor Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) already had his experts calculate what Brexit would mean for Germany's federal budget. His officials warned in an internal recommendation that Britain's departure from the EU would mean the "loss of the second biggest net payer." Following Brexit, Germany's share of the overall economic strength of the EU would rise from today's 21 percent to 25 percent. The consequence would be the "increase of the German share of financing of the EU budget by about 4.5 billion euros a year in 2019 and 2020," the officials wrote.
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble of Chancellor Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) already had his experts calculate what Brexit would mean for Germany's federal budget. His officials warned in an internal recommendation that Britain's departure from the EU would mean the "loss of the second biggest net payer." Following Brexit, Germany's share of the overall economic strength of the EU would rise from today's 21 percent to 25 percent. The consequence would be the "increase of the German share of financing of the EU budget by about 4.5 billion euros a year in 2019 and 2020," the officials wrote.
Oddly enough, our own government have looked at the consequences of Brexit on our very own Blighty. They are that thrilled with the report that they are refusing to publish the papers.
Good ole Tories. Good ole Quitters.
The EU is set up so the people will never have a voice, yes you can vote, but your vote is useless, your rulers are people that you never elected, and they do what they want, they will shape your life and you won't be able to do anything about it, Democracy is non existent in the EU.
Hence it will collapse. As you say.
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Of course it doesn't Johnnyboy. The EU doesn't want us to leave it's shackles in any shape or form. Why do you think the "negotiations " aren't proceeding a bit quicker than they are? The EU doesn't want them to proceed at any pace. They'd be happy if we were still negotiating in 2060 (and still paying our "membership" contributions. Germany is going to be the country picking up the bigger part of lost UK contributions.. Never mind I'm sure the EU will find a nice , rich European country to join,, (best of luck with that )
Oddly enough, our own government have looked at the consequences of Brexit on our very own Blighty. They are that thrilled with the report that they are refusing to publish the papers.
Good ole Tories. Good ole Quitters.
noseall the appeaser
blimey it is lucky that past generations in your family did not adopt your attitude , which is basically run up the white flag.
Or u could have been "Von" Noseall
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