UK points based immigration system.

[JP_]

It's a brilliant way to encourage wild young single men and women to come to your country.

A terrible way to encourage people with partners or families who will contribute so much more.

 

[JP_]

I get the impression that English people just don't want these jobs, rather than a foreigner beating them to it.

This is exactly the problem. Not just English, Scottish and Welsh too. Chap on the radio summed it up very well today - said we have risen the bar for our youngsters, we have given them a better education and and raised their aspirations, while employing people from overseas to do the unskilled, low paid work. To tell them that we now want them to be gutting fish all day, or packing boxes for export, is a kick in the balls for them. They don't want to do it, they didn't have to do it before, so why would they want to do it now? They want to be doing to best jobs, not doing what immigrant labourers can no longer do.

 

[motorbiking]

Under the old system there was no recognition that you were moving say a US job to the UK and needed in my case Specialist US contract law knowledge. Such jobs ended up being listed in the Job centre, just to comply with EU law. However, looking at the requirement, it does seem like the bar is a bit high.

 

[SirGalahad]

This is exactly the problem. Not just English, Scottish and Welsh too. Chap on the radio summed it up very well today - said we have risen the bar for our youngsters, we have given them a better education and and raised their aspirations, while employing people from overseas to do the unskilled, low paid work. To tell them that we now want them to be gutting fish all day, or packing boxes for export, is a kick in the balls for them. They don't want to do it, they didn't have to do it before, so why would they want to do it now? They want to be doing to best jobs, not doing what immigrant labourers can no longer do.

Yep. But we have a death cult.

 

[motorbiking]

It's a brilliant way to encourage wild young single men and women to come to your country.

A terrible way to encourage people with partners or families who will contribute so much more.

The twitterer is carefully presenting the rules to give the impression that a partner cannot come. If the "girlfriend" has been with the person for 2 years they can come, if they are proposed to be married, they can come.
Step 1 you get your visa, step 2, you apply to bring them too.

see https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/i...ng-a-visa-for-your-partner-to-live-in-the-uk/

note some of the info in the above link is now incorrect

 

[big-all]

Is that true?

if they are claiming asylem or awaiting deportation the have to report once a week or so to the home office
they only have very limited resources so this can take years to get through the back log so many will just dissapear into the bak ground and not report they then become absconders who are picked up randomly until they are picked up and are high enough in the system to be detained by borderforce uk
watch an episode off uk border force on pick tv and zoom through to any raids on shops factories or train stations and you wll see how it works on the ground but remember this is a 10 year old program

 

[sodthisforfun]

if they are claiming asylem or awaiting deportation the have to report once a week or so to the home office
they only have very limited resources so this can take years to get through the back log so many will just dissapear into the bak ground and not report they then become absconders who are picked up randomly until they are picked up and are high enough in the system to be detained by borderforce uk
watch an episode off uk border force on pick tv and zoom through to any raids on shops factories or train stations and you wll see how t works on the ground but remember this is a 10 year program

I appreciate how it's happening, but I was wondering if the comment about thousands was true.
As far as I know, the home office has no idea how many illegal immigrants are in this country? That used to be the case - they'd give a best 'estimate'.

 

[big-all]

watch series 2 episode one from the start will give you an idea about forged documents and action on the street ???

 

[sodthisforfun]

This is exactly the problem. Not just English, Scottish and Welsh too. Chap on the radio summed it up very well today - said we have risen the bar for our youngsters, we have given them a better education and and raised their aspirations, while employing people from overseas to do the unskilled, low paid work. To tell them that we now want them to be gutting fish all day, or packing boxes for export, is a kick in the balls for them. They don't want to do it, they didn't have to do it before, so why would they want to do it now? They want to be doing to best jobs, not doing what immigrant labourers can no longer do.

I understand not wanting to do some of these tasks as a career, but as in the case of fruit picking, that was a traditional student summer job, perfect seasonal work for worker and farmer. Did it myself one year, hard work but a laugh coz with people my age. Worked in shops too part time though my student years, starting when I was 13. Do students not want to work anymore either? I'd have thought with the death of the high street that some of these jobs would be taken up by students. Granted, not so much gutting fish!

Oh, only mentioned English in response to Conny's thread as he mentioned English.

 

[Notch7]

the UK has had a points based system for many years, its not new, just repackaged for xenophobes to get enraged

UK Tier Points Based Visa System
The five tier visa system consists of the following:

• Tier 1 Visa: This visa category is for 'high-value migrants' from outside the EEA and covers entry of investors, and those very few people who come under the 'exceptional talent' visa.
• Tier 2 Visa This category is for 'skilled workers' from outside the EEA with a job offer in the UK. It includes skilled workers who are transferred to the UK by an international company, skilled workers where there is a proven shortage in the UK, ministers of religion and sportspeople.
• Tier 3 Visa : This category was originally designed for low-skilled workers filling specific temporary labour shortages and no longer exists. The Government never allocated any visas under this scheme.
• Tier 4 Visa: This category is for students from outside the EEA who wish to study in the UK. Applicants must have a place at a registered UK educational establishment before they can apply.
• Tier 5 Visa : This category contains six sub-tiers of temporary worker including creative and sporting, charity, religious workers, and the youth mobility scheme which enables about 55,000 young people every year to work in the UK on working holidays

 

[sodthisforfun]

It's a brilliant way to encourage wild young single men and women to come to your country.

A terrible way to encourage people with partners or families who will contribute so much more.

I'm happy with anyone who wants to come here if they contribute - not so bothered by their marital status though I should imagine that if they get married the rules will change.. Why do families with children contribute more btw? And why are they wild if they're single?

The point system is a step forward - people in the UK said they wanted something to happen and it's happening. It won't be fair for everyone but something needs to be done.

 

[Notch7]

proposed points based system will reduce economic growth

UK has shortage of:
agricultural labourers
factory workers
carers
chamber maids
waitresses
NHS hospital auxilliary staff

Tories used immigrants as a scapegoat, but actually wanted high immigration to feed to low skilled neo liberal economy

many of the highest skilled EU workers have buggered off.....I dont know fancy leaving just because you arent welcome

 

[sodthisforfun]

Why are the highest skilled EU workers not welcome? As far as I know, people who are already here are allowed to stay aren't they?

In the case of fruit pickers etc, there's more than brexit and a point system that is the cause of people not coming over. The value of the pound and working conditions have improved so much more 'at home'. Makes no sense to travel and be away from family if can do the same job at home. It's up to us as a country to make the UK more appealing and I honestly think that the government will relax the point systems in sectors as and when needed. Am pretty sure that's what Australia do.

 

[JP_]

I'm happy with anyone who wants to come here if they contribute - not so bothered by their marital status though I should imagine that if they get married the rules will change.. Why do families with children contribute more btw? And why are they wild if they're single?

The point system is a step forward - people in the UK said they wanted something to happen and it's happening. It won't be fair for everyone but something needs to be done.

The point is, we want skilled people with experience, but these people aren't going to come if we tell them to leave their families at home. What do the contribute? Shedloads!

 

[JP_]

I understand not wanting to do some of these tasks as a career, but as in the case of fruit picking, that was a traditional student summer job, perfect seasonal work for worker and farmer. Did it myself one year, hard work but a laugh coz with people my age. Worked in shops too part time though my student years, starting when I was 13. Do students not want to work anymore either? I'd have thought with the death of the high street that some of these jobs would be taken up by students. Granted, not so much gutting fish!

Oh, only mentioned English in response to Conny's thread as he mentioned English.

Most of the jobs are needed all year round, can't expect students to do that.