Winter of Discontent (202)2

[JohnD]

"People shouldn't strike, they should look for a better job"

Seems to be working

"Staff shortages hitting education in England, says Ofsted
Nurseries forced to close and class sizes growing in schools and colleges, finds inspectorate"


Bethan Staton in London 4 HOURS AGO
FT.com

Staff shortages mean pupils and students in England are not getting the quality, care and stability in education they need, according to a report by Ofsted that found recovery from the pandemic remained a “work in progress”.

The annual report by the education inspectorate, published on Tuesday, found “workforce and resourcing challenges” had forced nurseries to close because they could not retain staff and had led to larger class sizes in schools and colleges, as well as disruption to activities such as drama and sport, mental health interventions and support for special needs children.

The analysis echoes problems with staff retention and quality of care and services across the public sector, which is suffering a wave of strike action as workers, who have suffered real-terms pay cuts over the past decade, struggle with the mounting cost of living crisis."

If the Tories want to damage the nation they're succeeding.

 

[JohnD]

Did you spot that?

"real-terms pay cuts over the past decade"

Not exactly wildcat strikes, are they?

 

[^woody^]

"People shouldn't strike, they should look for a better job"

Seems to be working

"Staff shortages hitting education in England, says Ofsted
Nurseries forced to close and class sizes growing in schools and colleges, finds inspectorate"


Bethan Staton in London 4 HOURS AGO
FT.com

Staff shortages mean pupils and students in England are not getting the quality, care and stability in education they need, according to a report by Ofsted that found recovery from the pandemic remained a “work in progress”.

The annual report by the education inspectorate, published on Tuesday, found “workforce and resourcing challenges” had forced nurseries to close because they could not retain staff and had led to larger class sizes in schools and colleges, as well as disruption to activities such as drama and sport, mental health interventions and support for special needs children.

The analysis echoes problems with staff retention and quality of care and services across the public sector, which is suffering a wave of strike action as workers, who have suffered real-terms pay cuts over the past decade, struggle with the mounting cost of living crisis."

If the Tories want to damage the nation they're succeeding.

Are you saying that schools have been fully staffed for years and now all of a sudden staff are leaving?

 

[JohnD]

Are you saying ....

Do you see those words in my post?

 

[IT Minion]

The government blocked a higher offer from train companies and insisted on the driver only trains terms.

 

[motorbiking]

Do you think people who can't afford to go to the cinema should subsidise others to watch the opera? I don't.

Something we agree on.

 

[^woody^]

Do you see those words in my post?

What are you doing then, just posting random words that don't mean anything?

Or are you trying to not accept responsibility for your comments?

Please clarify both, and the original post. Thanks

 

[ajohn]

I wonder if people are aware of nurses pay scales. I am assuming this is correct

Nursing Salary, Pay Scale and Bands 2025 | Nurses.co.uk

UK nursing salary & pay scale guide 2025. Discover how much nurses get paid plus bandings, benefits and more.

www.nurses.co.uk

Range £20,270 to £109,475/ There is a London weighting allowance as well but I suspect some can see why they struggle and things aren't much better unless they can reach much higher grades. Otherwise they get the X% a year applied to all. Not sure, 2% for several years now?

I've been retired for a while and thought £20k sounds rather low to me . After 6 years they still haven't reached an average graduate pay
The current average graduate salary in the UK is just over £24,000*, according to the Graduate Outcomes report by HESA (Higher Education Statistics Agency). However, we've heard folk reporting everything between £16,000 and £90,000.

These are the average graduate salaries for every subject

Here's how much you could earn depending on what you studied at uni.

www.savethestudent.org

I know a little more about nursing now as it looks like my son will be marrying one. She comes from divorced parents though. First thing she came across was the dirty tricks department. Qualified with the bursary, They cut the course a bit so now people who start without that earn a bit more. Not much more looking at the scales and she can increase her qualification. Did a dissertation a few months ago. The job. She works in child A&E. Staffing levels lower than they should be. 12hr rotating shifts. Shift working usually attracts a premium to get people. 12hr ones leave no scope for overtime which is not allowed anyway. People need to sleep. 3x8hrs is more flexible. It can be possible to do 12hr extra shifts. Shifts continue through holidays which ever ones they are.

Career salary limits have an effect on how long people stay in them. Companies can make use of that if there is a steady flow coming in but in some areas it also looses very skilled people who are more capable in the field they work in.They need to be paid more to get them to stay. Some people are paid to a point where they may find it difficult to find an alternative career. Is there a need to give the same % increase to all. 2% at £27k is rather different to the same at £100k. This approach tends to stretch differences.

 

[^woody^]

Lol

 

[Notch7]

(and let's not forget that the hard left on here stated many months ago that train drivers would NOT go on strike),

no they werent

why the **** are the trains not running?

because RMT workers are the signalmen, train staff, cleaners, engineers, maintenance staff, train station staff, ticket office staff

you cant run trains without them

60-70k a year, offered an 8% increase and turn it down, refuse to ballot their own membership on acceptance of an offer and refuse to give up 'spanish practises' on work matters,

as its not train drivers on strike, that got FA to do with anything

oh and Spanish practices is a load of bolox

 

[fillyboy]

as its not train drivers on strike, that got FA to do with anything

Train drivers vote to strike in long-running row over pay

Train drivers at 12 rail companies have voted overwhelmingly to continue strike action in a long-running row over pay.

 

[ajohn]

Train drivers at 12 rail companies have voted overwhelmingly to continue strike action in a long-running row over pay.

No it's not just about that as you probably know. Terms and conditions figure highly as well. As do jobs. They would trade those against pay rises. All unions do but don't forget terns and conditions.

I heard an interesting pay rise offer. Over 2 years. 2nd year lower than what inflation may well be. This year lower too. I'm sure they would accept a below inflation pay rise anyway but obviously there will be limits. Some parts of the country have settled - not Westminster controlled though.

Latest laugh. Ministers saying negotiations are between employed and employers. A minister on the box tonight said something rather different. They wont allow some offer or the other to be made.

 

[fillyboy]

I wonder if people are aware of nurses pay scales. I am assuming this is correct

Nursing Salary, Pay Scale and Bands 2025 | Nurses.co.uk

UK nursing salary & pay scale guide 2025. Discover how much nurses get paid plus bandings, benefits and more.

www.nurses.co.uk

Range £20,270 to £109,475/ There is a London weighting allowance as well but I suspect some can see why they struggle and things aren't much better unless they can reach much higher grades. Otherwise they get the X% a year applied to all. Not sure, 2% for several years now?

I've been retired for a while and thought £20k sounds rather low to me . After 6 years they still haven't reached an average graduate pay
The current average graduate salary in the UK is just over £24,000*, according to the Graduate Outcomes report by HESA (Higher Education Statistics Agency). However, we've heard folk reporting everything between £16,000 and £90,000.

These are the average graduate salaries for every subject

Here's how much you could earn depending on what you studied at uni.

www.savethestudent.org

I know a little more about nursing now as it looks like my son will be marrying one. She comes from divorced parents though. First thing she came across was the dirty tricks department. Qualified with the bursary, They cut the course a bit so now people who start without that earn a bit more. Not much more looking at the scales and she can increase her qualification. Did a dissertation a few months ago. The job. She works in child A&E. Staffing levels lower than they should be. 12hr rotating shifts. Shift working usually attracts a premium to get people. 12hr ones leave no scope for overtime which is not allowed anyway. People need to sleep. 3x8hrs is more flexible. It can be possible to do 12hr extra shifts. Shifts continue through holidays which ever ones they are.

Career salary limits have an effect on how long people stay in them. Companies can make use of that if there is a steady flow coming in but in some areas it also looses very skilled people who are more capable in the field they work in.They need to be paid more to get them to stay. Some people are paid to a point where they may find it difficult to find an alternative career. Is there a need to give the same % increase to all. 2% at £27k is rather different to the same at £100k. This approach tends to stretch differences.

All qualified nurses start on band 5 pay.

 

[fillyboy]

No it's not just about that as you probably know. Terms and conditions figure highly as well. As do jobs. They would trade those against pay rises. All unions do but don't forget terns and conditions.

I heard an interesting pay rise offer. Over 2 years. 2nd year lower than what inflation may well be. This year lower too. I'm sure they would accept a below inflation pay rise anyway but obviously there will be limits. Some parts of the country have settled - not Westminster controlled though.

Latest laugh. Ministers saying negotiations are between employed and employers. A minister on the box tonight said something rather different. They wont allow some offer or the other to be made.

Notch is saying train drivers are NOT on strike, they are. My barb was at the lefties on here who suggested train drivers WILL NOT be striking, well they have and they are.

 

[IT Minion]

Are you saying that schools have been fully staffed for years and now all of a sudden staff are leaving?

It's odd you get the exact opposite of what the quote says.

The analysis echoes problems with staff retention and quality of care and services across the public sector, which is suffering a wave of strike action as workers, who have suffered real-terms pay cuts over the past decade, struggle with the mounting cost of living crisis."