Woman and Sex, means biological sex.

[Deleted member 323070]

No, trained professionals recording facts. Nothing more.

Professionals choosing the best option that fits the binary choice.
When they are unable to decide the best option, they defer to other professionals and discuss with the parents for what they consider will be the best outcome
Then recording it on paper.

 

[denso13]

When they are unable to decide the best option

No, the correct option.

they defer to other professionals and discuss with the parents for what they consider will be the best outcome

Again, the correct outcome.

Then recording it on paper.

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

This research seems to be a good starting point:

Sex continuum in the brain and body during adolescence and psychological traits - Nature Human Behaviour

Vosberg et al. have developed a continuous measure of biological sex in an adolescent cohort, based on quantitative traits of the brain and body. Within each sex, these ‘sex scores’ are associated with sex hormones and personality traits.

www.nature.com

I don't accept that the sex is determined purely by the sperm, and is pure chance.
I firmly believe that environmental, and socioeconomic factors also have an influence.
This is supported by empirical evidence.

Over the last several decades a variety of ecological, demographic, economic, and social variables have been evaluated to address this controversy, yet their association with the Sex Birth ratios (SRB) has been equivocal

Sex ratios at birth vary with environmental harshness but not maternal condition - PMC

The sex ratio at birth (SRB) may be patterned by maternal condition and/or environmental stressors. However, despite decades of research, empirical results from across the social and biological sciences are equivocal on this topic. Using ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If this theory is extrapolated, it could be argued that the Sex Birth Ratio (SBR) of intersex babies will vary depending on environmental and socioeconomic factors. Thus leading to a change in the transgender population.
But this is irrelevant in this discussion, and probably too far fetched for most.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

No, the correct option.

Again, the correct outcome.

Yes.

I can see that any discussion with you will be met with blind refusal to consider any alternatives. Therefore there is no point in continuing the discussion with you. We will just be repeating previous comments.

But even the Government and the Medical fraternity support my argument.

 

[MNW67]

I can see that any discussion with you will be met with blind refusal to consider any alternatives. Therefore there is no point in continuing the discussion with you. We will just be repeating previous comments.

But even the Government and the Medical fraternity support my argument.

So, if you are correct, how, in the broadest way, should things change. At what age should people decide on their sex. How should society be organised.

 

[Highway Man]

I accept that the scientific. medical and legal world only recognise two biological sexes.
But I don't accept that that binary choice accommodates all the possibilities. And that in reality biological sexual development is a spectrum, with the binary choice of male and female the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Rather like arguing that there is only homosexuality and hetrosexuality, and that no other options exist.
We now recognise that sexuality is a spectrum with numerous and unquantifiable options exist between hetrosexuality and homosexuality.

So what is this third sex then other than male or female?

 

[Koolpc]

How are these questions remotely relevant to the discussion?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

So, if you are correct, how, in the broadest way, should things change. At what age should people decide on their sex. How should society be organised.

The Government has learned to evolve to recognise and enfranchise minority groups: Females, Homosexuals, other ethnicities, disabled, young, etc.
Why shouldn't it learn to accommodate transgender people?

It's notable that male homosexuality was illegal, whereas female homosexuality was not.
The transgender argument has been firmly rooted towards ostracising transwomen, but transmen are rarely mentioned.
There seems to be a discrepancy in the equality of sexes in terms of the transgender and homosexiality aspects.

As far as the ages of children are concerned, I'm content to be led by the medical profession.
But you've missed the point. They aren't choosing their sex, they are choosing their gender. Their sex was assigned at birth.

How should society be organised? That's for another day.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

So what is this third sex then other than male or female?

It's neither male or female. Other, Intersex, Androgenous. Take your pick.

But it does not mean that only those so classified could change their gender.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

It's difficult to respond to such a well argued opinion, supported by so many documented reports.
But I'll try;

 

[MNW67]

whereas female homosexuality was not

Everyone seems to like lesbians.

 

[Highway Man]

Everyone seems to like lesbians.

I think they are great

 

[Koolpc]

It's difficult to respond to such a well argued opinion, supported by so many documented reports.
But I'll try;

 

[morqthana]

Trans is not normal. It is an illness.

You actually believe what you see at pride events is normal? You actually believe those people dressing like they do and acting like they do is normal?

In the statistical sense of the word it's not, but that's not what you mean, is it.

But I think that being unusual is not equivalent to being ill.

I think that me not understanding why someone does something does not make them "sick".

I think that people doing things which have zero effect on me is none of my business.

I think that I am not qualified to diagnose mental illnesses.

I think all of these things because I am intelligent.

Those who are not intelligent will, I agree, struggle to understand what is the way they should view things. So is that your excuse?

You actually think this is normal:::::

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Hmmm...

Hmmm...

Hmmm...

Then of course there are all the cross-dressing characters in the plays by someone universally regarded as one of the finest English language playwrights the world has ever seen (and I'm not talking about the legal restrictions on female actors in his time).

 

[morqthana]

Biological they are, that’s a FACT.

No, it's a falsehood.