its not the boiler that people are taking offence to, its the company making it. why do you think that after producing a long line of utter junk and treating installers like they have the plague, that ideal are suddenly the blue eyed boys of boiler manufacturers?? people are fitting logics because they are cheap and have a long warantee, the same as people fit ferroli optimaxs or whatever else is the cheapest 'on offer' combi. carry on fitting your logics, your welcome to them, slightest sniff of trouble and we'll see how you get on then.