London cyclists dropping like flies

[AronSearle]

The Netherlands have lots of cycle lanes.

Guess which country has a higher rate of road deaths than the UK?

Uh uh

About half the population rides a bike every day, (in cities like amsterdam it is estimated 70% of journeys may be by bike) so they have a vastly higher proportion of cyclists than we do.

So let's see you provide a proper statitical anaylisis, accounting for the significantly higher percentage of cyclists, rather than trying and failing to make a clever point by misusing statistics.

Also fun statistic.

Dutch cycling deaths are skewed very heavily to the elderly; 71% of all cycling deaths are over the age of 60, and nearly 25% are over the age of 80.

80!

Lol, most 80 year old brits are crapping their pants in care homes abandoned by their children.

 

[JohnD]

The Netherlands have lots of cycle lanes.

Guess which country has a higher rate of road deaths than the UK?

I said road deaths. Or do you only care about dead cyclists?

 

[AronSearle]

you're trying to be clever, but just tripping on your own shoelaces.

more statistical trickery to prove....what?

Norway has more of something else, it's this light white fluffy material called "snow", also more than 2/3rds of fatalties occur outside of urban areas, (you know, where they are putting all those cycle lanes), and they have many highways with no seperating barrier (so risks of head on collisions)

So please, tell me what point it is you are trying to make in relation to this thread?

Feel free to move the goalposts if it helps you save face.

 

[JohnD]

I am making the point that the UK, thank gods, has one of the lowest road casualty rates in the world.

I don't know why you brought in Norway.

 

[sooey]

Never mind what point johnd is trying to make, it's the point that you're trying to make which escapes me.
This thread is about cyclists involved in collisions with vehicles in london.
Do you not think that all of these poor people being squashed flat is a problem in London?
Do you not think the situation has gotten worse not better with all of these half arzed cycle lanes.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Driving into Portsmouth the other morning I noticed the lovely cycle lane which runs alongside the Eastern Rd for a mile or more. It's up off the road
split 50/50 with the footpath, bout 10 foot wide in total. Strangely the traffic is still held up by wannabe tour de france types in tights who insist on cycling in the road. Those deserve all they get.

 

[joe-90]

It should be a law that when cycle paths are provided that they must be used.

 

[AronSearle]

Do you not think that all of these poor people being squashed flat is a problem in London?

Well, the other day I saw a driver drive on the wrong side of the road, to overtake stationary traffic, to go through a red light, which suprisinly enough nearly caused an accident.

So no, I don't think bad driving exists only in london.

Do you not think the situation has gotten worse not better with all of these half arzed cycle lanes.

I think it's gotten worse, but not so much because of the cycle lanes (not that they arent half arzed and rubbish), but because british drivers seem to think cyclists shouldnt be on the road, and that cycle lanes just prove that, rather than being a complementry device.

I am making the point that the UK, thank gods, has one of the lowest road casualty rates in the world.

I don't know why you brought in Norway.

Mistype.

you clearly tried to insunuate a link to cycle lanes to road deaths, I point out the statistical claptrap of your argument, now you move the goalposts to "oh, I was just making a random point about how we have few road deaths".

Uh uh, I'm not buying it.

 

[AronSearle]

Driving into Portsmouth the other morning I noticed the lovely cycle lane which runs alongside the Eastern Rd for a mile or more. It's up off the road
split 50/50 with the footpath, bout 10 foot wide in total. Strangely the traffic is still held up by wannabe tour de france types in tights who insist on cycling in the road. Those deserve all they get.

I can't imagine why cyclists choose not to use paths where they have no right of way at junctions, are shared by pedestrians, and may be adjacent to driveways.

Really can't understand it?

 

[securespark]

Good Lord. Don't look now, but I've just found myself in agreement with one of Aron's posts...

 

[LastMagicBean]

Cyclists should pay for the cycle lanes in the first place, as it stands they pay F*ck all.

 

[securespark]

Bullsh*t Bingo!!

I was waiting for that one.

What a dodo....

"You don't pay any Road Tax"

Er....how long has road tax been abolished?

What do motor vehicle users pay now?

That's right!

V....E....D



Vehicle

Excise

Duty

As well you know.

 

[LastMagicBean]

You Idiot.

Every vehicle on the road is payed for seperately regardless of how many are owned by one person. Those funds contribute to the infrastructure of the road network.

Cyclists pay F*ck all for that individual vehicle, and if a cycle was their only vehicle they would pay F*ck all towards cycle lanes.

 

[securespark]

You ramble.

Just what is your point?

Do pedestrians pay for pavements?

 

[LastMagicBean]

You ramble.

Just what is your point?

Do pedestrians pay for pavements?

Everybody pays for pavements.

But then EVERYBODY uses pavements.