Should the UK pay a divorce bill from the EU ?

[Corgigrouch GTi]

The Quitters are so dumb that they can't understand that resigning from the world's finest free trade group will damage our international trade in goods and services. Almost as dumb as a politician who thinks that threatening "no deal" is more of a threat to the rest of the group than it is to the country she should be trying to protect.

Indeed, resigning from the world's finest trade group would be terrible... Sadly we are not in the world's greatest trade group. Which one did you have in mind?

If they insisted that the deal was that we should give them a trillion pounds a month and had to take all of their African migrants... Every single one for access to their club, would you not agree that is a bad deal and it would be better to have no deal?

 

[JohnD]

actually understand the motor industry

Perhaps you think a semi-retired northern plumber who hates the EU is a better source than this chap

"“The prime minister said that no deal is better than a bad deal. It’s hard to envisage a deal that would be worse than [no deal],” the chief executive of the U.K.’s Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, Mike Hawes, said"

"Hawes added British-based manufacturers faced a “big, big challenge” if tariffs were imposed because they would not be able to absorb the blow to competitiveness as easily as EU producers.

The reason for this disparity was obvious from the numbers. Hawes noted that seven out of 10 new cars sold in the U.K. came from the EU27 countries. This meant that the EU producers have a dominant market position and would be able to pass tariff costs onto consumers. He predicted that the cost of importing a vehicle to the U.K. from any of the hundreds of plants across the EU would add at least £1,500 to the price tag.

On the other hand, cars exported from the U.K. to the EU would have nowhere near the same market power, with just 6.3 percent of cars sold in the EU27 made in Britain, according to data from IHS.

“You’re exporting into a market where you’re not the dominant market player, so you couldn’t pass that cost on to the consumer. So you would have to absorb that cost, which would immediately make you 10 percent less competitive,” he said."

 

[JohnD]

"Matthias Wissmann, head of Germany’s VDA vehicle industry group, said: “Everything must be done to allow the unfettered flow of goods and services.
“But there is one clear priority — we must stand together among the 27 EU member states.”
It comes as a German government memo leaked this month listed its “foremost priority” in negotiations as protecting the unity of the 27 members, according to the Times.
It said: “We must not let ourselves be divided.”"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-of-German-carmakers-BMW-VW-Brexit-Article-50

Mr Wissmann is not a plumber, either.

"But Mr Wissmann’s counterpart at the British SMMT car industry group has also warned that BMW, Daimler and VW may not push too hard for free trade with Britain.
According to Mike Hawes, head of the SMMT, German carmakers saw “Europe as more important than the UK market”.
He added: “They will align with what is best for Germany.”
BMW has about 8,000 workers in Britain and its plants export £2.4 billion of vehicles and engines.
But the Munich-headquartered company revealed last month that it was considering basing production in Germany for the new electric Mini planned for 2019."

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Perhaps you think a semi-retired northern plumber who hates the EU is a better source than this chap

I hate the EU but sadly I am neither retired nor a plumber. I run a business that imports and exports to non EU countries. However, due to the nature of some of our goods I have taken it upon myself to be GS registered, I am also OFTEC and HETAS registered... It would be silly to deal with one of my customers and not have a little background knowledge, wouldn't it?..... I also import wine too

By the way, you do know that the VDA consists of roughly 5 people and a cheap coffee machine and is to be regarded as as reliable as the CBI. It is the interest of the large motor manufacturers to maintain the status quo and the SMMT are their paid mouthpiece..

 

[noseall]

Do you really believe that VAG, BMW, MB, et al are going to stand by whilst the EU force them to shut down the section that produces right hand drive vehicles and throw their workers on the streets whilst the Japanese and Koreans announce extra overtime... Do you really think that the French, Italian and Spanish wine producers will not march on Brussels whilst we buy superior products from Georgia and Austrailia?

Have you thought for a second that it may end up being the UK negotiators doing all the forcing? If they go in with the Boris attitude and that of the dumb RWR on this very forum, then the EU and all those on board will have little choice but to say bye bye Blighty.

We have the strongest bargaining position

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[noseall]

Big manufacturers don't like change as it requires expeniture so obviously when large changes are in the pipeline they will do what they can to stop the changes....

Companies (big or small) will move production to another country if needs be. Granted, it won't be a snap decision, but many do it none the less. Have you never heard of manufacturers moving production to another country? Brexit will afford car manufacturers and the like ample time to secure more attractive locations away from the isolated and more expensive UK, should Boris, May and the dumb RWR on here have their way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/11/bmw-steps-warning-threat-uk-mini-production/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ve-uk-eu-article-50-report-kpmg-a7594606.html

 

[noseall]

As long as we keep LWR's like corbyn out of power

The RWR's are doing a sh it job of that as well.

 

[motorbiking]

not so sure. A manifesto that looked more like an advert for a wonga loan, giving free money to 90% at the expense of future generations and the 10% wasn't good enough to ouseat a tory shambles.

best advice he took from cameron was ditching the school woodwork teacher look.

 

[Nige F]

We invent - others copy - then they do us over - nothing ever changes. Just the French and Germans arguing over who gets sloppy seconds from us

 

[motorbiking]

Britain has real challenges, being a member of the EU which really doesn't deliver good value to any member let alone the top net contributors isn't going to help.

The developed world is being overtaken by the developing world. We are better off taking the medicine and shaping up now than clinging to an internally focused back biting syndicate

 

[noseall]

wasn't good enough to ouseat a tory shambles.

When the election was announced the Tories held an insurmountable position over all the other parties. It was impossible for them to lose.
Now look at it. I'd say the RWR are doing a splendid job of bigging up comrade Corbyn.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

When the election was announced the Tories held an insurmountable position over all the other parties. It was impossible for them to lose.
Now look at it. I'd say the RWR are doing a splendid job of bigging up comrade Corbyn.

Errm, yeah... Even when the Tories tried to lose and the corbyn voters got to vote twice, corbyn couldn't win.. poor old commies

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The 27 governments represented by this bloke barnier I reckon he might have some Russian link
and has been leaking private conversations to the press ?? daily Wail may be

More blatant lies from the master of dishonesty:

Yet I am unable to put him on the Brexit spot with these questions as BBC colleagues do day in and day out with UK government ministers.
Why? Because Mr Barnier and team are simply not speaking to journalists right now outside scheduled press conferences.
So far in his capacity as the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, he has given one simultaneous interview to a group of British and European papers following the UK general election.
And that's it.
The European Commission would argue that the EU is being extremely transparent - with a plethora of its Brexit position papers available online. But, of course, that's not the same as sitting down for a rigorous interview.

Here in Brussels there's not much of a sense of accountability to journalists.

Just pop along to the European Commission's daily midday press briefing for a taster. Controversial or uncomfortable questions are often met with a "no comment" in a way that would be unthinkable in London or most other European capitals.

The interesting thing for me is that it's not just the commission - European countries have "closed ranks" too. Leading European politicians do not want to give on-the-record interviews about Brexit right now.

Now, Prime Minister Theresa May is having a hard time keeping her cabinet quiet while the EU has gone silent.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40664126
I am convinced that **** end simply cannot help himself. Whenever he sees an opportunity to lie, he is duty bound to do so.
A habitual, compulsive liar. I have lost count of the number of times I have incontrovertible proven him to be a liar.


What the suspension of Polish voting rights has to do with Brexit or a divorce bill is anyone's guess.
If it is, in some way, trying to ridicule the EU, it does exactly the opposite because it demonstrates how the EU works in a legal and structured framework.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Come on noseall.. tell us. If the EU demand that we pay a trillion pounds a month and had to take every last African migrant, would that be preferable to having no deal?

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

More blatant lies from the master of dishonesty:

I am convinced that **** end simply cannot help himself. Whenever he sees an opportunity to lie, he is duty bound to do so.
A habitual, compulsive liar. I have lost count of the number of times I have incontrovertible proven him to be a liar.

So you have an issue with counting too, huh?