Should the UK pay a divorce bill from the EU ?

[Deleted member 63160]

Isn't there?

Irrespective, there is a (financial) common sense reason for paying.

What's that?

 

[noseall]

What's that?

Dunno?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Dunno?

How do you know there is one then?

 

[noseall]

How do you know there is one then?

Ask an ambiguous question.........

 

[Judy in the sky]

It should be obvious to anyone (even the diehard Brexiteers) that membership of the EU is not a fixed-term contract.

We have decided to leave and have given them notice of our intention to leave this corrupt organisation. Therefore , when we leave, our obligations to them end. The EU know when we are destined to leave and are simply trying their best to deter us from leaving (knowing full well that only a few countries will be left to make up the deficit from a UK exit) All at a time when the EU is desperate for money (given the state it's in with migrants from who knows where , knocking at the door)
Would you accept that if you decided to give up your membership of a local club, they presented you with a bill for future loss of takings over the bar? Of course not,, so tell me , why should leaving the corrupt EU be any different?

 

[noseall]

You would be foolish not to settle any debts (liabilities) with said club, especially knowing that you will be reliant upon that club in the future. In view of the fact that they will have the stronger bargaining stance, it would be financial suicide not to.

The thickos have voted us out of the EU, now let those with an education try and make sense of the mess the thickos have created.

 

[motorbiking]

i think it's foolish to make payments for obligations you don't have in the hope that you'll be offered a little something in return.

 

[noseall]

i think it's foolish to make payments for obligations you don't have in the hope that you'll be offered a little something in return.

Correct.

However, explain how does this apply to our leaving the EU. Bearing in mind that......


We do have liabilities and obligations - neither parties are denying this.
We will still need to trade as is seamlessly possible with the EU members.

 

[motorbiking]

We don't have liabilities. Article 50 is clear. If we fail to come to an agreement we owe nothing. Our liability is limited to payments due up until that point.

 

[noseall]

If we fail to come to an agreement we owe nothing.

But this would be the worst possible outcome and the UK negotiators will not let this happen.

Bearing in mind that we will reach an agreement - eventually and based upon the fact we will still need to trade with EU members, a payment is inevitable. Quitters already realise this so they need to get their heads out of the sand.

EDIT: Ignore anything Boris says - he is a buffoon.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

But this would be the worst possible outcome and the UK negotiators will not let this happen.

Bearing in mind that we will reach an agreement - eventually and based upon the fact we will still need to trade with EU members, a payment is inevitable. Quitters already realise this so they need to get their heads out of the sand.

EDIT: Ignore anything Boris says - he is a buffoon.

By the same token, THEY will still need to trade with us, so it is in their interest too

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

We don't have liabilities. Article 50 is clear. If we fail to come to an agreement we owe nothing. Our liability is limited to payments due up until that point.

Mr Davis was giving evidence to a House of Lords committee on Tuesday.
"If it's as we wish, a very comprehensive free trade agreement, that means you can get away with a lighter customs agreement than you normally would in which the primary new piece of information involved would be rules of origin.
"So you can see, some thought's gone into that, too.
"So we are making best speed is all I can say - it's not as fast as perhaps I would like, but we're making best speed."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-40571567
Do you think that David Davis, Theresa May, et al, are spinning us a lie.
They have no intention of negotiating a settlement, they are simply procrastinating so that no deal becomes a consequence?
Meanwhile they are repeatedly telling us that there will be access to the single market/customs union, which is just pure fantasy?

The UK are fully dependent on the EU for trade, but not just for our exports to the EU. We are intensely dependent on imports from the EU, food, raw materials and finished goods, etc.
I suppose, without the possibility of buying German or Japanese cars, the quality of UK cars could deteriorate back to the level it was in the 60's.
The same applies to other goods, i.e. no possibility of buying quality goods, therefore it will be cheap Chinese, Korean copies.

Still, we could always use one of **** end's typical comments as instructions for building Chinese flat-pack furniture.
Or his bra friend's typical comments as Chinese instructions for installing the new boiler. Good luck with that!

 

[JohnD]

Quitters like Gasbag are disturbed to see the Brexit disaster exposed as such a shambles, and losing public support.

What they are doing, to keep up their spirits and hopefully re-energise the Hatred of Foreigners on which the Quitter movement depends, is to invent some vague and unexplained reason for resentment, and try to keep the pot boiling.

In a year's time, it will be quite hard for the citizens of the UK, and its Parliament, to agree to something that makes us worse off.

 

[SirGalahad]

By the same token, THEY will still need to trade with us, so it is in their interest too

The same argument was made about Germany not wanting sanctions against Russia as they had such a surplus of trade with them and in the end the EU did put sanctions on Russia.

The biggest delusion in all these discussions is the position of the UK as a position of strength - I sincerely hope we come to our senses.

 

[motorbiking]

I'm not particularly convinced about the language of the poll - it seems slightly weighted, but it seems 70% support brexit now :
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/majority-favour-pushing-brexit-many-are-tempted-so/

On the subject of strengths and weaknesses - both sides have strengths and weaknesses. I do enjoy this attitude from the remainers that we are all doomed, so we should just bend over and take one for the EU team.

The reality is nobody in team EU will be trumpeting their weaknesses and all of them will be trying to turn their negotiations strategy in to the framework by which the negotiations are conducted. Surely some of you have done complex negotiations in your lives?