What a surprise the EU has offered us longer

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If given the Vote in 1939

Neville Chamberlain:
Let Hitler walk over Europe and Germany will leave us alone.
IN

Winston Churchill:
We must fight for democracy
Out


The Question is:
In or Out

I think and hope Out.
Would have won. But would we have known what we were voting for ?
The height of absurdity, comparing the commencement of WW2 with a vote for or against the EU.
 
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And we would do.

Has anyone asked the French German or Dutch workers. Do they still want to trade with us.
Being how it would effect the common Man, Woman. or Other. Did they get a say.

No.

If by stopping trade with us affects their lives. I believe they will have a say.

Let's remember every Saturday in Paris
We wouldn't do, if there is a No Deal Brexit.
The EU have categorically said there will be no negotiation, no discussion about any future trade until the Irish Border/backstop is resolved and citizens rights are resolved.
 
Well don't give us that impression then :rolleyes:

I never did, you just presumed it by your own failure to see past your own bias.

The fact of the matter is that 35% of the electorate didn't know what they were actually voting for, regardless of what they were expecting.

35% of remain voters? 35% of leave voters? Mixed bag? 35% of whom did vote? Some didn't vote?

And we all heard the lies from the leave campaign...
Easiest deals in history my a rse!
And we were told all along by 'leave' that we would still be trading with the EU bloc...

Address what Cameron, our then prime minister told us rather than falling back Boris' Bus.

I'd call it 50-50 at the moment, but hopefully sanity will prevail and by whatever means the madness of brexit will be cancelled!

The only thing that would benefit in terms of sanity if brexit were called off is that of remain voters.
 
We elect representatives, but they are not bound by any obligation to do 'what people want them to do'!

'Expect' all you like...

But our electoral system means that as soon as you have given back the pencil you borrowed in order to scrawl in a box on a piece of paper, you have handed over your right to dictate to whoever gets to come top of the dung heap that time around...

If you believe otherwise, then you are seriously deluded!

No matter how you dress it up or try and present it as though I or others don't understand it. Or that it's a debate about sovereignty.

The fact of the matter is the majority expected something completely different to what they're getting no matter how you dress it up lal.

I never did, you just presumed it by your own failure to see past your own bias.
It seems pretty clear to me: you expected MPs to behave as you expected them to, i.e. to carry out the wishes of the electorate, despite the fact that that is not how our system works.
As ellal said, "expect all you like"!
It won't be the first time, not the only time, and not the last time that the electorate will be disappointed with their expectation of what MPs do.

Take another issue, suppose we had a referendum on bringing back capital punishment. I'm pretty sure that it would be an overwhelming support for capital punishment, but no-one would really expect the MPs to reinstate capital punishment, even though it was the declared wish of the majority of the electorate.
 
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Address what Cameron, our then prime minister told us rather than falling back Boris' Bus.
No parliament or PM can be held to account for previous PM's or parliament's comments or promises.
Otherwise every single parliament would be liable for not implementing the manifestos of the incoming government.
 
The only thing that would benefit in terms of sanity if brexit were called off is that of remain voters.
And the employees of practical all of businesses, all EU citizens in UK, and vice-versa, all of EU, and the rest of the world economy that can breathe a sigh of relief. (It has been suggested that a No Deal Brexit would negatively effect UK economy by about 3.5%, EU economy by about 0.5%, and the ripple effect would be felt around the world economy)
 
I never did, you just presumed it by your own failure to see past your own bias.
Not my bias, but your ignorance and gullibility!

Along with your inability to learn from history as to how a parliamentary democracy does or doesn't work!
 
Not my bias, but your ignorance and gullibility!

Not at all.

PM said X or Y and plans to deliver on that basis pending a vote.

Vote cast on that presumption.

Along with your inability to learn from history as to how a parliamentary democracy does or doesn't work!

Politicians being liars or failing to do what they said they would be a different issue.

If people vote for politicians to represent them on the basis of manifesto or set out plan beforehand, that's what people expect to be delivered.

Suggesting we shouldn't expect that is just excusing poor performing politicians.
 
No parliament or PM can be held to account for previous PM's or parliament's comments or promises.
Otherwise every single parliament would be liable for not implementing the manifestos of the incoming government.
Yep, Brexiteers have been pointing that out...

So that whatever deal (should there be one) is open to be altered/revoked at will...

Funnily enough though, said brexiteers wish to deny the electorate to have a chance to make an informed choice :rolleyes:
 
PM said X or Y and plans to deliver on that basis pending a vote.

Vote cast on that presumption.

Politicians being liars or failing to do what they said they would is a different issue.

If people vote for politicians to represent them on the basis of manifesto or set out plan beforehand, that's what people expect to be delivered.

Suggesting we shouldn't expect that is just excusing poor performing politicians.
You really don't have a clue do you...

I asked you: "Name me any time that any political party has stuck completely true to it's manifesto"

You didn't answer of course...

History should tell you quite clearly that the answer is none...

So what did you actually expect to happen when believing in a 'presumption'? :rolleyes:
 
I can see it now 'oh go on UK as its you and you asked nicely just this time only as we really were about to honestly throw you out to the wolves and you would of surely perished
They are a good bunch, the EU.
Prolonging the Brexit disaster another year is hilarious. Thank the Lord this will go down as the Tory badge of shame.
 
I asked you: "Name me any time that any political party has stuck completely true to it's manifesto"

You didn't answer of course...

I did.

Politicians being liars or failing to do what they said they would be a different issue.

If people vote for politicians to represent them on the basis of manifesto or set out plan beforehand, that's what people expect to be delivered.

Suggesting we shouldn't expect that is just excusing poor performing politicians.
 
Or, to be accurate, they're not doing what some people want them to do.
To be even more accurate, they’re not doing what most people wanted. Call me naive but isn’t that the whole point of a vote/democracy?
 
To be even more accurate, they’re not doing what most people wanted
Did most people want a no-deal? Do you know what most people wanted/expected from Brexit?

The answer has to be no. And this is why we have such a ****shambles now.
 
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