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  1. jasonzyx

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    The height of absurdity, comparing the commencement of WW2 with a vote for or against the EU.
     
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    We wouldn't do, if there is a No Deal Brexit.
    The EU have categorically said there will be no negotiation, no discussion about any future trade until the Irish Border/backstop is resolved and citizens rights are resolved.
     
  4. I never did, you just presumed it by your own failure to see past your own bias.

    35% of remain voters? 35% of leave voters? Mixed bag? 35% of whom did vote? Some didn't vote?

    Address what Cameron, our then prime minister told us rather than falling back Boris' Bus.

    The only thing that would benefit in terms of sanity if brexit were called off is that of remain voters.
     
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    It seems pretty clear to me: you expected MPs to behave as you expected them to, i.e. to carry out the wishes of the electorate, despite the fact that that is not how our system works.
    As ellal said, "expect all you like"!
    It won't be the first time, not the only time, and not the last time that the electorate will be disappointed with their expectation of what MPs do.

    Take another issue, suppose we had a referendum on bringing back capital punishment. I'm pretty sure that it would be an overwhelming support for capital punishment, but no-one would really expect the MPs to reinstate capital punishment, even though it was the declared wish of the majority of the electorate.
     
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    No parliament or PM can be held to account for previous PM's or parliament's comments or promises.
    Otherwise every single parliament would be liable for not implementing the manifestos of the incoming government.
     
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    And the employees of practical all of businesses, all EU citizens in UK, and vice-versa, all of EU, and the rest of the world economy that can breathe a sigh of relief. (It has been suggested that a No Deal Brexit would negatively effect UK economy by about 3.5%, EU economy by about 0.5%, and the ripple effect would be felt around the world economy)
     
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    Not my bias, but your ignorance and gullibility!

    Along with your inability to learn from history as to how a parliamentary democracy does or doesn't work!
     
  9. Not at all.

    PM said X or Y and plans to deliver on that basis pending a vote.

    Vote cast on that presumption.

    Politicians being liars or failing to do what they said they would be a different issue.

    If people vote for politicians to represent them on the basis of manifesto or set out plan beforehand, that's what people expect to be delivered.

    Suggesting we shouldn't expect that is just excusing poor performing politicians.
     
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    Yep, Brexiteers have been pointing that out...

    So that whatever deal (should there be one) is open to be altered/revoked at will...

    Funnily enough though, said brexiteers wish to deny the electorate to have a chance to make an informed choice :rolleyes:
     
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    And virtually the whole of UK business, businesses and future prosperity.(y)
     
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    You really don't have a clue do you...

    I asked you: "Name me any time that any political party has stuck completely true to it's manifesto"

    You didn't answer of course...

    History should tell you quite clearly that the answer is none...

    So what did you actually expect to happen when believing in a 'presumption'? :rolleyes:
     
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    They are a good bunch, the EU.
    Prolonging the Brexit disaster another year is hilarious. Thank the Lord this will go down as the Tory badge of shame.
     
  15. I did.

     
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    To be even more accurate, they’re not doing what most people wanted. Call me naive but isn’t that the whole point of a vote/democracy?
     
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    Did most people want a no-deal? Do you know what most people wanted/expected from Brexit?

    The answer has to be no. And this is why we have such a ****shambles now.
     
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